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Post by Administrator on Sept 11, 2016 21:32:08 GMT
Ok so, i just wanted to re-cap on a few of the things from earlier in this learning adventure journey thread.. after a few initial mistakes and learning curves.. So.. I have apparently been charged and sentanced with failing to give driver details and identify myself as the driver, when i wrote to the CPS & ticket office within 14 days of the alledged offence... Here is me in person visiting the Warrington magistrates Court & the office lady herself gave me the address for CPS Cheshire.. as the Royal Liver building, instead of Walker house. So i was given the wrong contact address by the Court reception who are supposed to be telephone friends with Claire Lindley. Also I have recently found a Truvelo speed camera photo of my dad from 2011 and the photo measurement markings give a -10% speed to the recorded speed of 37mph. as 33.3mph. thus along with my Macclesfield filmed 27mph drive experiment by where i covered a greater distance than the traffipax photos.. its likely my speed was slower than 27mph. by about 10% there too! and the SAT TRACKING proves this by a speed tracking of 24mph... which works out more realistic to the re-creation experient drive by.. thus I was closer to the traffic lights than what the camera suggests from its calculations. (I suspected this anyway) the 24mph tracking is actual speed. not average speed.
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Post by Administrator on Sept 12, 2016 7:24:56 GMT
There is a DX number of Warrington crown court but it is DX 702527 Chester 5.
I will note that of no possible significance.... But note worthy is that the Oliver Cromwell statue is in Warrington and the Chief executive of the DVLA is called Oliver as well.
Warrington magistrates court was my first hearing. But the court code is supposed to be from convicting court. Not from a different one.
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Post by Administrator on Sept 12, 2016 8:40:37 GMT
Ok, so I have just spoken to the DVLA. :/
I don't think the woman understands what I am pointing out to her.
Anyway...
The Court code 1187 is no longer in use. For Crewe South Cheshire Magistrates Court.
The code 1721 is South and East Cheshire Magistrates Court. So valid.
1722 is North Cheshire Magistrates Court yet is shared between two Courts Runcorn Halton and Warrington.
The lady said from the DVLA in questioning that the total points are supposed to stay on until after the disqualification is removed.
But you can be disqualified without getting any seperate offences.
I don't know why there is no offence for a TS traffic red light conviction on there.
Or why it shows I have received no points for the failure to give driver details.
How can I fail to give driver details to no traffic light offence? It should be listed.
So I will have to look into it. I have complained to Cheshire police and the DVLA Chief executive already.
The DVLA lady did confirm that it should show total points, though while the disqualification is in place.
But on looking I think she didn't catch onto the fact something is unusual, probably because people can get endorsements that carry no points or a disqualification by itself.
The thing is that if they give you ZERO points for an offence... Why does it involve the DVLA? When they do not deal with offences that do not carry points?! It doesn't make sense.
I only have 6 points listed, which are still on there.
Ok...so the court code is valid...
But can you be disqualified not from totting up?
There is something not right on there. I will have to Contact the Court. To find out about the Red light offence.
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Post by Administrator on Sept 14, 2016 8:36:23 GMT
Trying to find AD group who control traffipac cameras in the UK
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Post by Administrator on Sept 15, 2016 8:41:41 GMT
From Pattersons Law.. www.pattersonlaw.co.uk/motoring-offences/your-court-appearance/reopening-a-case/I do not see why the Clerk cannot go and get the Magistrates to re-open your case... seeing as a Clerk can appoint a solicitor and other things. The Clerk serves the Prosecution material if the Prosecution is not present. That has been filed Just like in the small claims court, i am certain that both partys file documents, or choose not to file any and the small claims court looks at them and makes a decision.
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Post by Administrator on Sept 15, 2016 12:49:17 GMT
Post marked 14/09/16 recieved 15/09/16 eight days after the trial of the 07/09/16. Last contact from court by email on 06/09/16. The question is, why has there been no TS10 applied to my driving licence? Yet the MS90 with 0 points? Which is the Disqualification for? I will let you know when I have read the letter
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Post by Administrator on Sept 15, 2016 17:02:37 GMT
thedrivingsolicitor.co.uk/2015/05/13/12-things-you-need-to-know-about-driving-licence-penalty-points-in-the-uk/ Get banned for the offence without getting points. If the magistrates think that the case against you is too serious for penalty points then you could be banned for a short time instead of being given points. For example if you are caught speeding at 101-110mph on a motorway you could be banned for 7-56 days instead of being given points. Sometimes it is much better to be given a short ban. Magistrates know this, so they can often be unwilling to give you a break. Courts don’t always have the power to give you a short ban. You might have to ask a lawyer or ask at court: it can be complicated. The police can give you a fixed penalty for 3 (or 6) points The police have power to offer a fixed penalty a long list of offences. Here are someofthe most common: Speeding (3 points and £100) Using a mobile phone (3 points and £100) Careless driving (3 points and £100) No insurance (6 points and £300) Offering a fixed penalty is always at the discretion of the police. They usually follow guidelines issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Now the National Police Chiefs’ Council). You can often avoid points by going on a driver improvement course Driver improvement courses can be offered by the police for: Speeding Using a mobile phone when driving Going through a red light Careless driving Inconsiderate driving If you are offered the course and you complete it successfully then you will not be given a fixed penalty and you will not be prosecuted. Just like fixed penalties the police do not have to offer a course. As long as your case falls within the guidelines they usually will. If you don’t reply to a notice to provide driver details you will get 6 penalty points Most speeding cases start out with the police sending a combined notice of intended prosecution and a requirement to provide driver details. If you do not reply you face a prosecution for failing to provide driver details. A conviction will get you 6 penalty points. That can come as quite a shock especially if the speeding offence that you were being accused of would have resultedin a 3 points or even a driver improvement course. You can get up to 6 penalty points for speeding Don’t be lulled into a false sense of security about speeding. The police have guidelines which say that most speeding driver can be given a fixed penalty (3 points and £100). But if a case goes to court things can, and do, get worse. Speeding can get you 3-6 penalty points (or a driving ban). I have summarised the magistrates’ sentencing guidelines on this Also looks like the Stockport fine I was facing from PC bateson should not have carried and penalty points? According to this website anyway Plenty of driving offences will not get you points You can’t get points for any of these offences: Parking (apart from dangerous parking or parking on the zig-zag lines) Unlicensed driving (when you were entitled to hold a licence but it had been revoked) Having no MOT Having no road tax Not complying with some traffic signs (e.g. keep left or give way: but watch out it could be careless driving which gets 3-9 points) Overloading where no danger caused Not stopping for a constable Not wearing a seat belt Not fitting a child seat Defective lights Walking on the hard shoulder
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Post by Administrator on Sept 15, 2016 19:29:12 GMT
Ok so ive got about a £550 fine which isnt much at all compared to the Calderdale and Burnley cases which were twice as much and more! So, they have banned me for 6 months, but only because of the MS90 failing to give details... and you can even have a document produced in court at the trial stating that you were the driver! and i clearly stated so! so i should not have been disqualified! with those extra 6 points! So i have sent in this letter to request a re hearing! as i was not aware of the above legislation!! Heres a copy for you with my detail removed (well except for REF number) www.bentcop.biz/date_of_serviceC.pdfSo the court are being absolutely ridiculous to disqualify me for the extra 6 points when i provided driver statement to the Police, both courts and prosecution as well! including CPS headquarters! I wonder if they will accept the application for re hearing. I do not see why you should have to go in person! what if it was in Truro?! or Edinburgh?! or Aberdeen!?
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Post by Administrator on Sept 15, 2016 20:20:25 GMT
I actually think that because its a very serious crime fraud and false accounting and the police and courts and councils are all doing it, is why Blair and Brown probably liked the idea of banning drivers on 6 points just for not giving details even if they have been named by the owner. My dad doesn't get it either that you have been named. But also been put on the spot answerable to court just by being named by someone and not them. The fast track system Is not true police work. The owner/keeper should have to appear in court as well. you shouldnt be able to just put someones elses name down on paper.
Also - importantly, the new regulations to keep a drivers timebale are important here. Because it is a valid defence in law of a drivers schedule.
If the owner/keeper were made to appear WITH the named driver, or forced to submit evidence as well as the named driver, then any defence of a schedule to keep to by an employer would be given a much better opportunity to have to be presented and added to the defence, by an employer in defence of a driver.
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Post by Administrator on Sept 18, 2016 18:56:59 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Sept 18, 2016 19:01:47 GMT
its a bit like the department of transport failing to provide information when there is a legal obligation to do so in the traffic signs manuals.
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Post by Administrator on Sept 19, 2016 10:06:34 GMT
No reply from the South Cheshire Magistrates Court yet, regarding my request fora re-hearing, as you can give statement that you were the person at the location of the alledged offence on the date, to the court itself before the hearing! thus it doesnt just need to be given to the police or prosecution (I gave statement to all of them) - Thus i have written another request (email and by post)
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Post by Administrator on Sept 20, 2016 18:56:04 GMT
Still no email, reply from South Cheshire or letter, otrher than the fine now recieved which i have to pay by October. No responce regarding the Re-hearing request. I have spoken to a solicitor who wants to take it to the Crown court for £2,000 ish. And we are not guaranteed to win (supposedly). Also i would have to appear there.. but i can start driving again right away if i choose to do that. but if we loose then say the crown case was in 3 months, i would get 3 months added back on to the ban... So you are buying your driving licence back on a gamble... The solicitor says that he is "not the man" to tackle the petition exemption from prosecution. but does not doubt that I am correct about it. He just thinks the magistrates will be difficult to "convince" that they themselves are guilty. - also shouldnt an appeal be illegal as well in an illegal prosecution case? because the actual appeal would be illegal as well! ooo dear.. I might have to go door to door to get 100,000 signatures and make parliament sort it out. But they are even dodging that responsibility as well now, the 100,000 sognature automatically getting debated in parliament. Seems like they would ban voting if they could as well! If they could get IN to politics without voting, they would ban it altogether!
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Post by Administrator on Sept 21, 2016 8:59:52 GMT
m.creweguardian.co.uk/news/Heres Simon Byrne showing off posing with a piece of paper in a picture frame. Television style. Nothing wrong with a tribute to service of an elderly police lady. But how can the police get away with misleading people. How can the speed limit be safe by Clemonds Hey with no slip entrances to the dual carriageway? I dont think there is anything to be proud of catching drivers out in trick traffic light set ups and banning people for not ticking a box on a form when you can send a statement.. And i was even asking about the driving course. 2 bypasses that go around towns with no children or pedestrians.. That are built for national speed limit and the police chiefs have faster roads by the police station that are not as safe. Its not even crime. It is misleading and tricks ... How can someone be disqualified for not saying they were the driver when they have been sending multiple letters that they were the driver ? This isnt even an excuse. The actual road signs are not correct. :/
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Post by Administrator on Sept 21, 2016 18:02:41 GMT
I am not the one who is the bad elf around here.
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