MACCLESFIELD Silk Road/Mill Lane fixed RED LIGHT CAMERA.

(note: if you are going to read this thread.. it is going to be quite a bit of a learning journey! as i started out knowing nothing about these cameras and made a few mistakes along the way!)

Plus some photos that ive forgotten why they are in there.. But it seemed like a good ideas at the time. Possibly has some interpretation or meaning significant. So best read the thread towards the later pages to get to the main findings and videos. At the end ive added some music videos dont ask why.

URN: 07/SZ/26561/16 05 APRIL 2016 Warrington Magistrates. (new date is in August 2016)

I have been unable to contact Traffic Safety Systems. I have submitted an F.O.I. requests. I have reason to believe that if they do not respond within 20 days the police must investigate under law. unless the police refuse.
Detectives have been notified as has the Chief of police. If the Traffic Safety Systems staff are abroad they will not be able to be investigated by the UK police for failing to respond to the F.O.I. request

(note that Thames Valley police have a office/police station on the same industrial park as TSS ltd)





Winsford Cpu (central process unit) Cheshire police. / Liverpool Merseyside CPS (Crown prosecution Service)
URN:07/SZ/26561/16 - 05 APRIL 2016 WARRINGTON MAGISTRATES COURT 9:00Am. CIV Ben, Simon Byrne Chief of police, Court presentation officer, department of criminal justice and Chief crown prosecutor Cheshire - Mersey (& Director of Prosecutions)


Various gathered evidence, investigations and learning with details. As my research started and made progress for the case and as part of my petitioning campaign work. (6 or so pages)



A VW Crafter van is two cars long. The Camera time on photo was also within prosecution threshold (0.78s) of allowed 1s (second)

No traffic light waring signs are in place at the location. The White road markings are faded off on junction.

It is also Beyond reasonable doubt that the extra length of the van is like two cars going through the lights, the front is NOT going through on red, as NOT RED LIGHT WAS DISPLAYED BEFORE VAN CROSSED THE LINE. Rear of the van is like a 2nd car going through the traffic lights afterwards.


The van takes twice as long time (0.9seconds) to cross the line as car (0,4seconds) for RED light fixed traffic light cameras

Request the prosecution be WITHDRAWN, as incorrect. and the prosecution discontinued. I am also interested to know why the timing on police radar & laser devices are not calibrated or accurate to these times & distances for different vehicles, thus even more space for errors is evident. This length of a van adds well over the 1 second allowance onto the 2 camera photograph times as it is clearly like two cars going through the traffic light.



RED LIGHT TRAFFIC LIGHT OFFENCE, MACCLESFIELD.. CONTINUED..
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OK, so regarding the RED LIGHT offence I have had through from Winsford, Macclesfield & Cheshire police when the traffic light i drove through was not even at red!

I have got the photographs! here..


I did NOT see a RED light on that set when i drove through...
& as you can see, on the FIRST picture that is supposed to show you BEFORE you go through, the FRONT of the VAN cannot even SEE the lights! Also the van is about 16ft long! much longer than a car, so when the RADAR thinks it is a car not stopping, at the BACK OF THE VEHICLE (moving) the FRONT HAS ALREADY PASSED THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, so all you saw was GREEN or AMBER. The RED light will not bee seen as it goes to RED (AFTER) the front of the van crosses the line. And the Back of the van is still moving as if crossing the line late.. (If you see what i mean?)

ALSO you have to tke the WHEEL SIZE into account as well. The VAN WHEELS are BIGGER than a CARS wheels & the speedometer calculations for timing are different (I have discussed that before in a section about speed surveys)

ALSO it says i am only 0.78 of A SECOND INTO RED! *and that will be based on the back of the vehicle, not the front*
It SAYS ON DORSET SAFE that you are ALLOWED upto *ONE SECOND* before prosecution!

I think these RADAR CAMERAS have a DETECTION FOR HGV/BUS & LORRY (2 settings) and the VAN one goes on the CAR settings, not the HGV ones?

Anyway THERE IS ALSO NO TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGN IN PLACE BEFORE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS & THE ROAD MARKINGS ARE WORN OFF THE CROSSING.

I have contested these points and they have done the "fob you off, not interested, take it to court" rubbish answer. WHEN THEY MUST CONSIDER THESE FACTS WHEN CONSIDERING PROSECUTION CASES. So I am going to write to the CPS Cheshire as well.

AND REQUEST SOME PHOTOS OF CARS at the SAME set of light going at 28mph or what ever it was... to see where the FRONT & BACK of the shorter vehicles are lined upto.


Here is what Dorset road safe says
LINK>
www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/contact/25-about-us/freedom-of-information/429-red-light-sites

But their link to how thecameras actually work doesnt seem to be working properly!?
LINK>
www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/component/content/?id=465&Itemid=290



THE CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE DOESNT SEEM TO MENTION RED LIGHT CAMERAS/TRAFFIC LIGHTS.. ONLY SPEEDING THRESHOLDS

LINK>
www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/

And as I have stated it is ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO PUBLISH THESE PERMISSIONS as it "Causes & permitts" drivers to contravene the traffic light/red light order. Thus is Illegal. (the threshold)

I am certain that with the Calculation modifications on wheel size & van legth, that I will be... by adjustment of the 0.78 seconds, well within the red light time of 1 second. And with the published data by Dorset Police, I am not even prosecutable as it is UNDER 1 second RED. Even without the van length & wheel size adjustments to the time calculation.

I would be really interested to see photos of regular size cars at these lights going at 28mph ish as well, to see where the front & rear of the vehicle is.

I bet there are a LOT of BUS & HGV & LORRY ones that are QUESTIONABLE. I need to find more info about how the traffic light cameras work, as I said the link is not working currently. There will be other sites.

Also I saw that the FIRE station DOES have SIGNS to inform you about *ITS* lights & there was a POLICE VAN parked nearby , so I asked him about it!!

Still need to find if the TRAFFIC LIGHT TRIANGLE SIGN IS REQUISITE AT TRAFFIC LIGHT CAMERA LOCATIONS!

Even if not, it would be evidence that they are not making the proper safety & warning effort at these traffic lights...

OH, I for ANYONE EVEN FOLLOWING THIS WEBSITE, the POLICE REF NUMBER for this is REF: 0073050111034920

Do you think Cheshire police have started the ref number with 007 as a joke? or what?

Anyway I have already sent a few emails in reply...


HERE IS THE DISCUSSION I HAD WITH THE POLICE OFFICER OPPOSITE THE FIRE STATION ROUNDABOUT, PRESTON, WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN IN PLACE BEFORE THE STOP LIGHTS FOR THE FIRE ENGINES.

see police van & go to talk about traffic light sign requirements compared to fire station light sign requirements


youtu.be/xiyfAgfYTLM

This is an EXAMPLE of how they make the EFFORT to warn you about TRAFFIC LIGHTS (100yds or 50yds) at some sets. But NOT ALL WITH CAMERAS ON THEM?! IS A TRIANGLE SIGN COMPULSORY? as it IS A WARNING SIGN!?



REMEMBER THAT EARLIER I POSTED PHOTOS OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT MACCLESFIELD, MILL LANE/SILK ROAD & THERE IS NO TRIANGLE TRAFFIC LIGHT WARNING SIGN IN PLACE & THE ROAD MARKINGS ON THE JUNCTION ARE WORN. ALSO THEY HAVE MADE A SINGLE FORWARD LANE INTO TWO LANES, SO THEY CAN SQUEEZE MORE OFFENCES INTO THE JUNCTION *2 LANES* not just one! AND THE LEFT TURN IS "GIVE WAY"



LETTER TO CHESHIRE POLICE AND CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE

Notice Reference

Full Name _______

Date of Birth ________

1st line of your address and Post Code ______

REF:0073050111034920
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Cheshire Police
Central Ticket Office
PO Box 266
WINSFORD
CW7 9FN
08 November 2015
REF:0073050111034920

WINSFORD RED LIGHT CAMERA OFFENCE

Dear Cheshire police,

As you have made an error in your offence processing, the N.I.P. must be withdrawn, with written confirmation. NO OFFENCE HAS OCCURED. YOU CAN NOT BY LAW PROCEED WITH THE PROSECUTION. AS NO OFFENCE EXISTS. THE WHOLE VEHICLE MUST BE COMPLETELY CLEAR OF THE LINE IN THE FIRST PHOTOGRAPH FOR AN OFFENCE TO OCCUR.

ALSO YOUR INFO OF HOW THE LIGHTS WORK IS NOT WORKING AND I STATE THIS IS WITH INTENT TO WITHOLD INFORMATION.

THE PROSECUTION TIME IS 1 SECOND. AND THE VEHICLE IS NOT CLEAR OF THE LINE THUS IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE RED LIGHT TO BE VISIBLE BY THE DRIVER

I HAVE INTERVIEWED A POLICE OFFICER CAMERA STAFF IN THIS VIDEO LINK WHO CONFIRMS THE N.I.P. SYSTEM IS NOT. I REPEAT NOT AUTOMATIC AND CAN AND MUST BE STOPPED WHEN PROBLEMS, ISSUES OT EVIDENCE AND ERRORS ARE REPORTED TO THE TICKET OFFICE.

Reasons.

1. VEHICLE ______ was NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR OF THE WHITE LINE in the FIRST PHOTO.

2. VEHICLE ______ was WITHIN the 1 second threshold timing and the time IS given on your photograph as 0.78 seconds

THUS NO OFFENCE HAS OCCURED and the N.I.P. was sent in error.

I have video evidence of a police officer stating that the N.I.P.s CAN be withdrawn when errors are identified or N.I.P. sent out by accident.

This website says you must be completely CLEAR of the stop line, for the first photo, for it to be a RED light offfence and i am not clear of the line at all in the photograph they sent. This backs up the fact i was within 1 second as well, and couldnt have seen the red light as the police camera photo sata 0.78 seconds.

LINK>
www.copradar.com/redlight/"]http://www.copradar.com/redlight


This is from the actual literature on traffic light offences and the "informatio"n on how they work is mysteriously "down" on the police website for Cheshire, link not working.

It says you must be completely clear of the threshold line when the light changes to red, which i am not in the photograph. www.copradar.com/redlight/

Also a police officer said that an N.I.P. CAN be cancelled if you identify any errors

A64 York. mobile speed camera "Doppleganger" of the court speed camera expert "geordie glasses" guy. Who travels around the country. I ask him questions and he tries to cover up figures on clipboard. But agrees that if you are prosecuted and you are within the thresholds YOU CAN GET THE N.I.P. withdrawn by the police and not have to go to court!

VIDEO


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also i am within the published POLICE thresholds time of 1 second. shown on your photo as 0.78 seconds.

www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/contact/licence-return-enquiry/56-faqs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=526&Itemid=327

YOU WILL BY EMPLOYMENT POLICY VIEW< READ AND ACKNOWLEDGE ALL PROVIDED LINKS & INFORMATION IN THIS EMAIL.

YOU WILL BY EMPLOYMENT POLICY WITHDRAW THE N.I.P. AS IT HAS BEEN ISSUED INCORRECTLY.

YOU HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO COMPLY.
YOU CAN NOT IGNORE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED.
IF YOU DO, YOU WILL BE INCLUDED IN ANY COURT CASE AS ACTING BY FRAUD ON ABUSE OF POSITION, CAUSING ME TO CONTRAVENE A TRAFFIC REGULATION ORDER BY NOT PROVIDING THE REQUIRED TRAFFIC LIGHT WARNING SIGNS AND BREECH OF EMPLOYMENT POLICY.

YOU HAVE SENT THE N.I.P. OUT IN ERROR.
INSPECT THE TIME ON THE PHOTOGRAPH. DO NOT IGNORE THIS LETTER. YOU MUST COMPLY. YOUR SYSTEM IS NOT. I REPEAT NOT AUTOMATIC, HUMAN STAFF INTELLECT MUST BE APPLIED TO THE PROCESS. I HAVE A VIDEO OF A POLICE OFFICER ON CAMERA SERVICE ON VIDEO LINKED HERE IN THIS EMAIL YESTERDAY FILMED CONFIRMING THAT THE CENTRAT TICKET OFFICE MUST WITHDRAW AN N.I.P. WHEN AN ERROR IS IDENTIFIED AND YOU DO NOT FORWARD IT TO COURT. YOU ARE CAUSING THE COUNTRYS DEFECIT DEBT BY YOUR STAFF BIGGOTRY AND LOW INTELLECT AND LACK OF CARING. YOU WILL NOT FUND ANY MORE COURT TIME BY IGNORANCE AND MISCONDUCT. IF YOU FORCE THIS TO COURT, FOR REASONS OF "IF THE COURT SAY WE CAN CHEAT AND LIE THEN ITS OK TO CONTINUE DOING IT"

THEN YOU ARE IN IMMEDIATE BREECH OF CONTRACT>

YOU WILL WITHDRAW THE N.I.P. DO YOU UNDERSTAND.

YOU WILL ACCEPT THE TRUTH OF THE FACT AND READ IT AND SEE IT AND ACCEPT IT IS THE TRUTH.

YOU WILL NOT SENT IT TO A COURT WHO YOU WILL HOPE WILL BACK YOU UP TO GIVE SOME KIND OF VALIDATION TO YOUR LIES AND HELP YOU CONTINUING TO LIE, LIE, LIE AND CHEAT AND BREECH YOUR EMPLOYMENT POLICY.

I HAVE SENT THE TRUTH OF FACT.

YOU WILL OBEY THE FACT AND READ IT AND SEE IT AND ACT TO STOP THE N.I.P.


yours sincerely
Mr ____________