This is a post I am just doing in the catch of the campaign thread.. but I thought I would put it in here as well...
A56 Chester Road, Walton 09.52am Warrington 19 july 2016Cheshire police patrol cars with two officers. Trainer and learner. Or Spotter & shooter. On Chester Road, Walton Warrington.
Large Tree Grown over road signage for speed limit and the Google maps shows problem has been there for a while. Road not enforceable. Also the Sign Configuration is Questionable. I report it to the Officers. One Officer gets very angry that I ruin his little speed gun session. But agrees he will tell the council about it. The Officer is using a LTI True speed camera on a tripod.
The Blue sign does not say Dual Carriageway. And it is only one lane on one side. It says 40 Means 40. And Police enforcement. Thus when the traffic signs manual says 600mm it means 600mm. and when it says Unlawful sign configuration it means unlawful sign configuration. And when the road must comply with the TSRGD for enforcement evidence to be submissible.. well... it means it is not submissible if "the road" doesnt comply.
You can have a single carriageway with 3 lanes and a single carriageway with 4 lanes. I guess you will need to check the Traffic regulation order for the road. But if it is Dual Carriageway status then it should have a sign in place stating it IS a dual carriageway, or else it might not be enforceable as one regarding the required signage configurations.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway#United_Kingdom
Here is an example where there are lined markings, not grass. In either situation you would need to check the traffic regulation order to establish the road type. For signage configuration
Not long after, I see the
Go SAFE North Wales Camera Van CW54 FCX on Chirk bypass.. by the McDonalds roundabout! Not on the bridge! first time I have ever seen it in this position! I do my delivery and the driver is still there afterwards! He is "VERY HAPPY TO TALK TO ME!" says to come back anytime. Is happy to talk about speed cameras & road signs as much as I want & takes my website details to look at. He is using an LTI 1000.
He answers many questions & tells me a lot of things I didnt know. This Professional Police Witness gives me many testimony & evidence that I an sending to Simon Byrne, Cheshire police Chief, who work with North Wales Police across borders from time to time.
Main points discussed...
The Professional Witness agrees that a Traffic Light stop line can only be the size stated in the TSRGD manual.
And they are trial testing a new type of Red light camera in North Wales called "RED". They do not use "Traffipax" brands in North Wales. But agrees that you need the measurement markings to calculate the amber light distance, like the traffic light cameras in London & manchester.
The Professional Witness says that there is NO PRESCRIPTIVE DIRECTIONS FOR 20MPH SIGNAGE SPEED LIMITS. Local Authorities set their own rules & regulations & specifications for sign sizes & repeater signs. So there could be no Secretary of State approval unique for each area.
The Professional Witness says that if a sign has foilage grown covering it, he will NOT enforce the speed limit.
The Professional Witness says that he had tried to get slip efffect from the LTI 1000, but he can not do it.
He also more or less agrees with me on sign condition, like faded numbers or red rings. & the amount of dirt covering a sign.
He has not tried any of the experiments to the test the LTI laser size that I explained to him.
I do not think he has seeen or read the Traffic Signs Manual, (Not certain) But has briefly attended court cases, when required to enter the court room to give evidence. They do try to put cases through sometimes, but most of the time when the signs are not fit & proper he simply does not enforce a location & moves to a different one, informing the council of the tree or bush growth.
There is currently a sign on the Welsh/Cheshre border for a road traffic enforcement that the Police Cannot enforce because the "sign is incorrect". It must have been made wrong or something. I am not certain exactly where it is, as he only mentioned it as an example. But if a sign is "Not correct" it is a given exemple of where a enforcement cannot be done because of an incorreect road sign. Apparently this sign effects both Cheshire & north Wales because of its position on the border between both counties.
For further points watch the video! although its difficult to hear the Officer as he was inside the Camera van & the road was buisy. But this Officer was very enthusiastic & co-operative and states that he is a very fair camera operator, and Is happy to talk "any time" about road signs or speed camera devices!
getting tired of this now. When will it end? the Torture from the Simon Byrne and CPS?