Post by Administrator on Aug 28, 2015 14:54:11 GMT
So today at Work, said they had a fine through from the 18/08/2015 in Manchester!? £30 fine! And they paid it before even telling me! They did not wait to contest it. grr.
Apparently they checked the satellite tracking and just paid it without checking any details first, as a basic photo had been included.
Now I remember being in Manchester that date because I did A delivery to a place i havent been to before & I also saw a shop that I wanted to get a photo of, but thought I would look on google maps afterwards. Also I kept seeing these different wizzard pictures on the back of the buses that I liked! I got lost because I needed to get back to the motorway & I made a random route up to try find my way back onto the Motorway. I know I was on Princess road because of the shop being there.
Anyway, so Ive been online to have a look at the road with the Bus lanes, to see what is with this fine area. Its the road Wilmslow Road, just off Moseley road between Wynnstay Grove and Lorne Road.
Here is the fine...
The photos they send are not usefull for seeing exectly what happened, because you cannot even see clearly which direction the bus behind me is going! I could have had to avoid it. You cannot 100% establish its direction! Also, This part of the road is just before the traffic lights. If the bus is heading towards the traffic lights, same direction as I am going, then it is likely the driver wants to turn RIGHT at the traffic lights. As he has got into position EARLY in the RIGHT hand LANE! NOTE HE IS NOT EVEN IN THE BUS LANE MADE SPECIALY FOR BUSES! THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO KEEP OUT OF, EVEN THOUGHT THERE IS A BUS LAY-BY!!! WHEN THERE ARE NONE THE OTHER DIRECTION, THE BUS JUST STOPS ON THE ROAD!
Anyway... I REMEMBER I TURNED LEFT at the junction. SO, Just like the BUS has gone into the NON BUS LANE, to turn RIGHT. I AM IN THE LEFT LANE TO TURN LEFT AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS!! which they have marked out as bus lane EVEN THOUGH IT HAS ITS OWN EXTRA BUS STOP PULL IN!!!
I AM ONLY DOING WHAT THE BUS DRIVER BEHIND ME IS DOING, GETTING IN LANE FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WITH ADEQUATE TIME!! and just after where the photo is taken from, there are ARROWS ON THE ROAD FOR THAT AS WELL!
They send a photograph, which is practically useless for identifying the needed crucial information.
On the Fine notice, they print a loada crap on the reverse side stating that IF YOU want to see the video you must bend to their terms and arrange a viewing!!! This is just a loadsa bullshit because they DO NOT WANT you to get the video footage and they dont want to pat for the disks!!! This is Just like the speeding fine footage that they KEEP FROM YOU, so that you can not identify errors and illegal use of the video cameras and to prevent disclosure of this to the public, which would ruin their enterpise! That is why they have tried to block videos being sent out!
The TRUTH and FACT of LAW is that a VIDEO is ONE piece of EVIDENCE. ONE EXHIBIT. CCTV or LASER. Same thing.
This is not a Murder case!!! they dont have several pieces of evidence! like exhibits 1, 2, 3, 3a, 3b ect!!!
This is a bus lane offence! THERE IS ONE CCTV CLIP. They CREATE more evidence from the ONE piece they have, because they dont want to give you the video, as its expensive and it discloses information they dont want you to have! They just want you to pay the fine without even researching the road! And the photos they have are crap! RANDOM! who chooses which clips are required? what about the surrounding area? the other vehicles movement? all this is crucial. Just like fixed traffc light cameras a FREEZE FRAME picture taken at random is no good.
No matter what they claim on the notice about the video, you have legal right and they have a legal obligation to hand over part of the evidence. And when there is only one piece of evidence - 1 CCTV clip, they must hand it over by law. NOT "MAKE NEW EVIDENCE" from that and just hand over "part of the one piece of evidence" because random frames of photos robbed from the original CCTV exhibit is not handing over the evidence. it is MANIPULATING and MODIFICATION of evidence. In the LASER SPEED camera manual, it says (NOT LEGAL DOCUMENT) that you can edit a photo for purpose of driver ID only. - that is because a photo taken out of the video does not prove the vehicle speed or direction or the measurement of the speed. It only proves that the vehiccle was present on the road, with a half decent image of who the driver might be, and without a witness or more evidence or testimony, it is no good for that even. Only the Licence plate & the police dont even check those! So by Law if you write to them asking for the CCTV footage they must give it to you if they are attempting to fine/prosecute. They dont even have to give it to the police I dont think. Same as private CCTV. But if its legal action against you they have to give it over.
Also, besides the fact that the BUS proves that its natural for drivers to get in lane at that point to turn at the traffic light junction ahead.. I found some issues with the road markings as well....
Firstly there are white keep right arrows on the floor, but therese are at the cycle lane & not guiding you to keep off a bus lane, they are painted a bit too early. Then, shortly after is where you need to keep right for the bus lane!!! as it widens out BUT THE WHITE ARROW THERE IS FADED OFF!!!! AND NOT MAINTAINED SO YOU MISS IT!!!
Then the thick WHITE LINE that is supposed to keep you off the bus lane keeps stopping & going into broken white lines, then back to continuous again! So you can cross , then you cant, then you can.. BUT BY THE ROYAL MAIL POST OFFICE, you can see that is has been broken, so cars can drive on it, to turn left off the road.. BUT IT GOES THICK WHITE LINE AGAIN CONTINUOUS!! ## WITH NO WHITE ARROW TO GUIDE YOU BACK OFF THE BUS LANE ONTO THE RIGHT HAND LANE!! So thats where you get caught out if there are no other vehicles hardly or need to be in the outside non bus lane!
THEN, there is a bit where, it looks like the road ahead is EVEN BALANCED, 2 lanes you way, 2 lanes the approaching way towards you!! that can be misleading as well!!
And you get the extra bus PULL IN for its stop with the LAY-BY, thats 5 LANES!!! whaa? on this road??? JUST WHERE YOU DONT NEED A BUS LANE BECAUSE IT HAS ITS OWN LAY-BY!! AND YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO BE IN AN OUTSIDE LANE!! ALSO YOU ## WOULD ## need to be in the LEFT lane, if you wanted to turn LEFT at the lights, with even arrows on the ROAD very shortly after! AS STATED!! THE BUS EVEN DOES THIS TO TURN RIGHT!! FAILS TO USE THE BUS LANE PROVIDED!
I SMELL A HUGE SCAM HERE. AND THIS IS A MASSIVE SET UP SPOT FOR BUS LANE FINES TO THE UNSUSPECTING DRIVER!
The MEN who SET UP these little traps are DEVIOUS, COOL, CALCULATED, CLEVER and do NOT NOT NOT want anyone to get the videos which you are entitled to.
Here are the google maps images. you can get the detail from these I kept the images large-ish with some notes as well.
This is going in the opposite direction. You can drive on here no problems. Busses just stop regular this way.
Also, This is the shop I mentioned, bento king! haha.
So I am going to send this page address to the council and request the £30 back as well. If they are anything like Islington council, you will not even get a sorry! even though we didnt have to pay thay one I dont think. Mostly because my dad is stupid and will believe anything the police or council tell him, cause he doesnt want the hassle. In fact if I had just paid my speeding fines & send my licence in I could have argued my 6 points later instead of all this trouble and hassle with this petition that is more trouble for me then its worth because I do not want to be fucking famous or people to even read this website. I havent even got any signatures hardly on my petitions so its been pointless. I even think the police & GOVERNMENT have hacked my petitions because they dont want them signed by people. Ive even had my bank account dicked around with, no money when I should have had it, and money go missing from my van, room, pants and then some money appear. strange notes left & all manner of other bullshit signs & signals around. when before this there was none of that hassle or bullshit. This is the worst thing ever. PLUS ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE GETTING SCAMMED AS WELL. Someone is taking the piss, dicking with things people love & like just because their brains are wired up wrong or have been taught its ok to gossip, bitch, and other shit. Even I have been BENT towards BAD through this, which is not fair. I was a nice person and I am upset that I have had unwanted attention and other shit when I shouldnt even have to do this. WHY ARE THE COUNCIL BENT AND POLICE BENT??
Apparently they checked the satellite tracking and just paid it without checking any details first, as a basic photo had been included.
Now I remember being in Manchester that date because I did A delivery to a place i havent been to before & I also saw a shop that I wanted to get a photo of, but thought I would look on google maps afterwards. Also I kept seeing these different wizzard pictures on the back of the buses that I liked! I got lost because I needed to get back to the motorway & I made a random route up to try find my way back onto the Motorway. I know I was on Princess road because of the shop being there.
Anyway, so Ive been online to have a look at the road with the Bus lanes, to see what is with this fine area. Its the road Wilmslow Road, just off Moseley road between Wynnstay Grove and Lorne Road.
Here is the fine...
The photos they send are not usefull for seeing exectly what happened, because you cannot even see clearly which direction the bus behind me is going! I could have had to avoid it. You cannot 100% establish its direction! Also, This part of the road is just before the traffic lights. If the bus is heading towards the traffic lights, same direction as I am going, then it is likely the driver wants to turn RIGHT at the traffic lights. As he has got into position EARLY in the RIGHT hand LANE! NOTE HE IS NOT EVEN IN THE BUS LANE MADE SPECIALY FOR BUSES! THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO KEEP OUT OF, EVEN THOUGHT THERE IS A BUS LAY-BY!!! WHEN THERE ARE NONE THE OTHER DIRECTION, THE BUS JUST STOPS ON THE ROAD!
Anyway... I REMEMBER I TURNED LEFT at the junction. SO, Just like the BUS has gone into the NON BUS LANE, to turn RIGHT. I AM IN THE LEFT LANE TO TURN LEFT AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS!! which they have marked out as bus lane EVEN THOUGH IT HAS ITS OWN EXTRA BUS STOP PULL IN!!!
I AM ONLY DOING WHAT THE BUS DRIVER BEHIND ME IS DOING, GETTING IN LANE FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WITH ADEQUATE TIME!! and just after where the photo is taken from, there are ARROWS ON THE ROAD FOR THAT AS WELL!
They send a photograph, which is practically useless for identifying the needed crucial information.
On the Fine notice, they print a loada crap on the reverse side stating that IF YOU want to see the video you must bend to their terms and arrange a viewing!!! This is just a loadsa bullshit because they DO NOT WANT you to get the video footage and they dont want to pat for the disks!!! This is Just like the speeding fine footage that they KEEP FROM YOU, so that you can not identify errors and illegal use of the video cameras and to prevent disclosure of this to the public, which would ruin their enterpise! That is why they have tried to block videos being sent out!
The TRUTH and FACT of LAW is that a VIDEO is ONE piece of EVIDENCE. ONE EXHIBIT. CCTV or LASER. Same thing.
This is not a Murder case!!! they dont have several pieces of evidence! like exhibits 1, 2, 3, 3a, 3b ect!!!
This is a bus lane offence! THERE IS ONE CCTV CLIP. They CREATE more evidence from the ONE piece they have, because they dont want to give you the video, as its expensive and it discloses information they dont want you to have! They just want you to pay the fine without even researching the road! And the photos they have are crap! RANDOM! who chooses which clips are required? what about the surrounding area? the other vehicles movement? all this is crucial. Just like fixed traffc light cameras a FREEZE FRAME picture taken at random is no good.
No matter what they claim on the notice about the video, you have legal right and they have a legal obligation to hand over part of the evidence. And when there is only one piece of evidence - 1 CCTV clip, they must hand it over by law. NOT "MAKE NEW EVIDENCE" from that and just hand over "part of the one piece of evidence" because random frames of photos robbed from the original CCTV exhibit is not handing over the evidence. it is MANIPULATING and MODIFICATION of evidence. In the LASER SPEED camera manual, it says (NOT LEGAL DOCUMENT) that you can edit a photo for purpose of driver ID only. - that is because a photo taken out of the video does not prove the vehicle speed or direction or the measurement of the speed. It only proves that the vehiccle was present on the road, with a half decent image of who the driver might be, and without a witness or more evidence or testimony, it is no good for that even. Only the Licence plate & the police dont even check those! So by Law if you write to them asking for the CCTV footage they must give it to you if they are attempting to fine/prosecute. They dont even have to give it to the police I dont think. Same as private CCTV. But if its legal action against you they have to give it over.
Also, besides the fact that the BUS proves that its natural for drivers to get in lane at that point to turn at the traffic light junction ahead.. I found some issues with the road markings as well....
Firstly there are white keep right arrows on the floor, but therese are at the cycle lane & not guiding you to keep off a bus lane, they are painted a bit too early. Then, shortly after is where you need to keep right for the bus lane!!! as it widens out BUT THE WHITE ARROW THERE IS FADED OFF!!!! AND NOT MAINTAINED SO YOU MISS IT!!!
Then the thick WHITE LINE that is supposed to keep you off the bus lane keeps stopping & going into broken white lines, then back to continuous again! So you can cross , then you cant, then you can.. BUT BY THE ROYAL MAIL POST OFFICE, you can see that is has been broken, so cars can drive on it, to turn left off the road.. BUT IT GOES THICK WHITE LINE AGAIN CONTINUOUS!! ## WITH NO WHITE ARROW TO GUIDE YOU BACK OFF THE BUS LANE ONTO THE RIGHT HAND LANE!! So thats where you get caught out if there are no other vehicles hardly or need to be in the outside non bus lane!
THEN, there is a bit where, it looks like the road ahead is EVEN BALANCED, 2 lanes you way, 2 lanes the approaching way towards you!! that can be misleading as well!!
And you get the extra bus PULL IN for its stop with the LAY-BY, thats 5 LANES!!! whaa? on this road??? JUST WHERE YOU DONT NEED A BUS LANE BECAUSE IT HAS ITS OWN LAY-BY!! AND YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO BE IN AN OUTSIDE LANE!! ALSO YOU ## WOULD ## need to be in the LEFT lane, if you wanted to turn LEFT at the lights, with even arrows on the ROAD very shortly after! AS STATED!! THE BUS EVEN DOES THIS TO TURN RIGHT!! FAILS TO USE THE BUS LANE PROVIDED!
I SMELL A HUGE SCAM HERE. AND THIS IS A MASSIVE SET UP SPOT FOR BUS LANE FINES TO THE UNSUSPECTING DRIVER!
The MEN who SET UP these little traps are DEVIOUS, COOL, CALCULATED, CLEVER and do NOT NOT NOT want anyone to get the videos which you are entitled to.
Here are the google maps images. you can get the detail from these I kept the images large-ish with some notes as well.
This is going in the opposite direction. You can drive on here no problems. Busses just stop regular this way.
Also, This is the shop I mentioned, bento king! haha.
So I am going to send this page address to the council and request the £30 back as well. If they are anything like Islington council, you will not even get a sorry! even though we didnt have to pay thay one I dont think. Mostly because my dad is stupid and will believe anything the police or council tell him, cause he doesnt want the hassle. In fact if I had just paid my speeding fines & send my licence in I could have argued my 6 points later instead of all this trouble and hassle with this petition that is more trouble for me then its worth because I do not want to be fucking famous or people to even read this website. I havent even got any signatures hardly on my petitions so its been pointless. I even think the police & GOVERNMENT have hacked my petitions because they dont want them signed by people. Ive even had my bank account dicked around with, no money when I should have had it, and money go missing from my van, room, pants and then some money appear. strange notes left & all manner of other bullshit signs & signals around. when before this there was none of that hassle or bullshit. This is the worst thing ever. PLUS ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE GETTING SCAMMED AS WELL. Someone is taking the piss, dicking with things people love & like just because their brains are wired up wrong or have been taught its ok to gossip, bitch, and other shit. Even I have been BENT towards BAD through this, which is not fair. I was a nice person and I am upset that I have had unwanted attention and other shit when I shouldnt even have to do this. WHY ARE THE COUNCIL BENT AND POLICE BENT??