Post by Administrator on Jul 20, 2015 17:19:16 GMT
To middlesborough police (Cleveland)
Nature of complaint:
NX60 DKA Police vehicle
20 July 2015 approx 11:14am today.
At Junction of A171 Middlesborough, Cargo fleet lane / Sotherby road / Kestrel avenue / Merlin road.
Enforcement of speed limit on a road where Terminal signs for the speed limit are set at different distances thus there are two different points where the speed limit begins & ends for 30mph / 40mph
Also a 20mph & dead end sign are set further back than the place where the dead ends intersect.
The speed limit should not be enforced when the road signage is not set correctly as prescribed.
Also, even though it is a 30mph zone, the road traffic signs manual shows that all roundabouts have speed signs as a reminder of the speed limit, even if it does not change, as a bare minimum requirement for roundabouts.
In addition to this, it is an offence to cause or permit a driver to exceed the set speed limit.
I have found that at least one police website at:
LINK>
www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/contact/licence-return-enquiry/56-faqs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=526&Itemid=327
and the actual Crown Prosecution service website itself on behalf of the Association of chief police officers (ACPO) gives published permission for drivers to exceed the speed limit. This causes drivers to exceed the speed limit, which is caused by this threshold allowance which is in fact illegal.
LINK>
www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/
It is actually dangerous and an offence to have created this threshold allowance which is in fact illegal and causes & permits drivers to exceed the speed limit.
Most of the 40mph roads have been chaqnged to 30mph and this threshold given so that between 35 - 40mph there is a small speed range where drivers are open to being prosecuted by speed cameras, when with the previous speed limit of 40mph exactly, they would not be breaking the speed limit upto that number 40mph, but now because many roads lowered to 30mph but not enforced at exactly 30, instead 35mph threshold, the "allowance" *gives permit and cause* for drivers to exceed that speed and take risks where otherwise they would not and would take care to keep exactly to 30mph, or the previous speed of exactly 40mph.
It clearly is an offence in the legislation that to give permission and cause for a driver to exceed the speed limit IS an offence. Thus a review of this whole system needs looking into by professional standards and the ACPO.
In addition to the fact that many mobile & fixed camera locations have road signage issues. Could it be the road signage issues are put there on purpose to give any knowledgable elite professionals something to give reason for defence in courts?
There is a defence as well that producing a time table that an employer has set a working driver to stick to is also valid legislative defence, such as the time table I had today. (see attached images)
I have had a few similar complaints with North Yorkshire police recently where road signage at mobile speed camera locations has been without doubt illegal sized and or missing completely, or turned around to face the wrong way, or else the posts lean into bushes or are obscured by foilage and trees. The operators are supposed to carry out road signage checks before & after each enforcement session.
Please look into this.
I would like all the road signage to be made correct that is what I would like to be done. And this thresholds legality looking into, as I believe it is misleading drivers.
Thank you
TRAFFIC SIGNS INFO SITE DOWNLOADS>
tsrgd.co.uk/component/content/featured?id=featured
TRAFFIC SIGNS MANUAL LINK>
www.bentcop.biz/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
Heres the videos I made of interview with officer and my dashboard camera.
This is where the mobile police van was parked, by a dead end and 20mph area where the sigtn to indicate this was quite a bit set back after the initial dead ends.
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Published police permission allowances to exceed the speed limit.
www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/contact/licence-return-enquiry/56-faqs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=526&Itemid=327
It is an offence to cause or permirr a driver to exceed the speed limit.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is guilty of "causing drivers to exceed the speed limit"
www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/
Published permission "to permit" drivers to exceed the speed limit. (offence)
The horror here is that this is actually published on the CPS Crown prosecution service website! Thus the Crown prosecution service is guilty of causing drivers to exceed the speed limit by publishing information which informs drivers that they are allowed to exceed the speed limit! thus clearly causing an offence and permitting an criminal offence - which is a offence & crime comitted by the CPS itself and illegal. They are encouraging unsafe roads and encouraging driving offences!
Speed Enforcement
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. This is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. It also sets guidelines for when it would not be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice but to issue a summons instead (see below). Note that these are guidelines and that a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.
Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 24 mph
Summons: 35 mph
Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 35 mph
Summons: 50 mph
Speed limit: 40 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 46 mph
Summons: 66 mph
Speed limit: 50 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 57 mph
Summons: 76 mph
Speed limit: 60 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 68 mph
Summons: 86 mph
Speed limit: 70 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 79 mph
Summons: 96 mph
Nature of complaint:
NX60 DKA Police vehicle
20 July 2015 approx 11:14am today.
At Junction of A171 Middlesborough, Cargo fleet lane / Sotherby road / Kestrel avenue / Merlin road.
Enforcement of speed limit on a road where Terminal signs for the speed limit are set at different distances thus there are two different points where the speed limit begins & ends for 30mph / 40mph
Also a 20mph & dead end sign are set further back than the place where the dead ends intersect.
The speed limit should not be enforced when the road signage is not set correctly as prescribed.
Also, even though it is a 30mph zone, the road traffic signs manual shows that all roundabouts have speed signs as a reminder of the speed limit, even if it does not change, as a bare minimum requirement for roundabouts.
In addition to this, it is an offence to cause or permit a driver to exceed the set speed limit.
I have found that at least one police website at:
LINK>
www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/contact/licence-return-enquiry/56-faqs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=526&Itemid=327
and the actual Crown Prosecution service website itself on behalf of the Association of chief police officers (ACPO) gives published permission for drivers to exceed the speed limit. This causes drivers to exceed the speed limit, which is caused by this threshold allowance which is in fact illegal.
LINK>
www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/
It is actually dangerous and an offence to have created this threshold allowance which is in fact illegal and causes & permits drivers to exceed the speed limit.
Most of the 40mph roads have been chaqnged to 30mph and this threshold given so that between 35 - 40mph there is a small speed range where drivers are open to being prosecuted by speed cameras, when with the previous speed limit of 40mph exactly, they would not be breaking the speed limit upto that number 40mph, but now because many roads lowered to 30mph but not enforced at exactly 30, instead 35mph threshold, the "allowance" *gives permit and cause* for drivers to exceed that speed and take risks where otherwise they would not and would take care to keep exactly to 30mph, or the previous speed of exactly 40mph.
It clearly is an offence in the legislation that to give permission and cause for a driver to exceed the speed limit IS an offence. Thus a review of this whole system needs looking into by professional standards and the ACPO.
In addition to the fact that many mobile & fixed camera locations have road signage issues. Could it be the road signage issues are put there on purpose to give any knowledgable elite professionals something to give reason for defence in courts?
There is a defence as well that producing a time table that an employer has set a working driver to stick to is also valid legislative defence, such as the time table I had today. (see attached images)
I have had a few similar complaints with North Yorkshire police recently where road signage at mobile speed camera locations has been without doubt illegal sized and or missing completely, or turned around to face the wrong way, or else the posts lean into bushes or are obscured by foilage and trees. The operators are supposed to carry out road signage checks before & after each enforcement session.
Please look into this.
I would like all the road signage to be made correct that is what I would like to be done. And this thresholds legality looking into, as I believe it is misleading drivers.
Thank you
TRAFFIC SIGNS INFO SITE DOWNLOADS>
tsrgd.co.uk/component/content/featured?id=featured
TRAFFIC SIGNS MANUAL LINK>
www.bentcop.biz/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
Heres the videos I made of interview with officer and my dashboard camera.
This is where the mobile police van was parked, by a dead end and 20mph area where the sigtn to indicate this was quite a bit set back after the initial dead ends.
__________________________________
Published police permission allowances to exceed the speed limit.
www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/contact/licence-return-enquiry/56-faqs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=526&Itemid=327
It is an offence to cause or permirr a driver to exceed the speed limit.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is guilty of "causing drivers to exceed the speed limit"
www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/
Published permission "to permit" drivers to exceed the speed limit. (offence)
The horror here is that this is actually published on the CPS Crown prosecution service website! Thus the Crown prosecution service is guilty of causing drivers to exceed the speed limit by publishing information which informs drivers that they are allowed to exceed the speed limit! thus clearly causing an offence and permitting an criminal offence - which is a offence & crime comitted by the CPS itself and illegal. They are encouraging unsafe roads and encouraging driving offences!
Speed Enforcement
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. This is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. It also sets guidelines for when it would not be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice but to issue a summons instead (see below). Note that these are guidelines and that a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.
Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 24 mph
Summons: 35 mph
Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 35 mph
Summons: 50 mph
Speed limit: 40 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 46 mph
Summons: 66 mph
Speed limit: 50 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 57 mph
Summons: 76 mph
Speed limit: 60 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 68 mph
Summons: 86 mph
Speed limit: 70 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 79 mph
Summons: 96 mph