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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 13:08:13 GMT
Charles then dissolves his privy council in the same year.. After James is basically exiled abroad in fact visiting William Orange.
The king replaces his privy council with a smaller council of thirty three members comprising of office holders and independents. Which shocked everyone
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 13:16:16 GMT
Parliament was again prorogued by the king.
1679
The session left only one permanent memorial in the form of a Habeas Corpus Act which decreed that no person could be unlawfully detained and that all those charged with a felony or treason should be granted a speedy trial or discharge from prison. This was designed as a means of public safety in the event of James's ascending the throne.
Even though they have tried to bring in a means to prevent his succession
1679 theoretical perfection of our public law.
Also as parliament prorogued, there was no renewal of laws inhibiting the press. So that the range of party could now be fully conveyed in the public prints.
And in the latter half of 1679 the terms Whig and Tory became common currency.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
Anthony Ashley Cooper, 1st Earl of Shaftesbury was from Dorset...
He is a founder of the Whigs. He died in Amsterdam 1683. 5 years before the Bill of Rights.
As a protestant.. he could have been friends with Richard Cromwell if he were with him in Amsterdam.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 13:30:46 GMT
Actually the Royalist cause... even Irish Royalists, Catholics had a Gaelic name toraihdeWhich became the Tories for the Kings cause The Whigs were enemies of popery and arbitrary government and wished to limit royal power. The Tories were determined to defend the monarch and constitution from rebels or Republicans There was also emerging a group called the 'Trimmers' who took the middle road. The Green Ribbon club was perhaps the first ever political club that met in the Kings Head tavern ... consisting of various whig groups, lawyers, merchants, dissenters Corner of Fleet street and chancery lane. The members were Green Ribbons and identified themselves as a 'party' Talking of their responsibilities to the people. Hmmmm Not the beelzebub character from BBC "Good Omens" then based on the Chief Crown prosecutor wearing a red ribbon
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 16:15:51 GMT
When you think of Magna Carta you should be imagining the establishment of Oxford university and then the branching off of Cambridge university.. Magna Carta was in between that time... and this period of History is when parliament is also founded.
Celts Romans
House Wessex and Winchester/South West prominence
Oxford university 912 Battle of Hastings 1066 Cambridge university 1209 Magna Carta 1215 & Parliament Invasion of England 1217
It's clear that both the religious illuminated texts and the scholarly university culture had a major role in the appearance of parliament
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 17:11:09 GMT
This is where the king now is using "The law" against the ministers as a weapon. And undoubtedly contributed towards the requirement of a Bill of Rights. But those Parliamentary rights are not to be confused with the rights of ALL citizens.. which ministers are also Citizens as well... There has always been the right to use the laws of the realm to enforce the law, and bring criminal justice and evidence directly to the king and parliament. To fight corruption. By petition. This is not to be confused with Parliamentary Privileges but rights and Privileges of the public. Well... hello Mr. Samuel Goozee, Mr.nicholas Watson, Mz. Sally Fudge and Mr.Michael Gove... Mr Justice tactic Strategy master of appointment. I hope your 'fair Justice system' is going well... Any more recommendations? Mr Johnson? Mr Cameron? What does Mr Jeremy Corbyn have to say about it? Or within the Bill of Rights even
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 17:33:41 GMT
We have this 'Rye House plot' against the king as well, where Whigs plot to ambush and kill the king on his way back from the races at Newmarket.
The plot was betrayed.
Some of these Whig conspirators are then executed and one becomes the first Whig martyr.. one has a bad execution which doesn't go well.. Algernon sidney, Lord Russell
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 17:40:50 GMT
It matters not so much that Shaftesbury did die within a year of him leaving for Amsterdam... because not long afterwards King Charles II died anyway.
When James eventually called a parliament.. it only sat for Eleven days under James then he prorogued it. It never met again under his reign.
Here are a few notes from the beginning of the James period from the book...
A Woman was beheaded merely for helping an escaped man by giving him water to drink, because was dehydrated.
The people of England were feeling intimidated by the king keeping a standing army as there was no enemy overseas at that time. The people were afraid of being subjected to an arbitrary power. Remember that previously the army was banned from assembling in London.
Protestants were Burning pope effigies on bonfires for Guy fawkes night. Bonfire night was banned by James.
The Duke of Monmouth, Charles first son who was previously popular.. his son to one of the kings mistresses came back to try take the throne. With a small party at Lyme and he expected a larger support on his return. He marched by Dorset and Somerset. But was defeated by the new model army and he was executed by James.
Its then that William of Orange is making plans to come over and is quite open about it and in intimate correspondence..and he has much support. He states he will uphold the public liberties and ancient rights.
It was the anniversary of the Gunpowder plot when William Orange came over to invade. James had realised his religious mistakes, and mistakes against the Oxford University scholars as well as other ones and desperately tried to correct them. But it seems it was too late. And I think this is why he ran off and was reported to have thrown the great seal into the river. After many Nobles and Lords sided with Orange.
Oranges statement to the nation and message to James was that he was there to install a "free parliament" for the people.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 22:14:46 GMT
So,
Just changing subject onto Magna Carta now...
I am just looking at a book called 'Blood Cries Afar' Sean McGlynn. The Magna Carta War and the invasion of England 1215-1217
I am not going to read this book, as its mainly about war. So I have just opened the appendix on the Magna Carta translation.
Sean talks about the following versions of Magna carta and the following charters which the Roundheads relied upon leading into the Civil War.
One piece that stands out is a mention of the 1791 Bill of Rights. Which I have not really given much attention.
Most of the articles in the original Magna Carta were repealed. Although the American institution is based on it and holds it in high regard.
It has been cited over 100 times in the supreme court (That is the USA bill)
This was previously entrenched in the Edward III second great Charter.
We are not to shallowly gloss over that clause. But to deeply understand and contemplate it. With great clarity.
"Due" process of law, does not mean just 'any' process of law. Or the wrong process of law. Nor someone else's process.
It without question means THE CORRECT process. The RIGHT process. Which means that nobody can be mislead or put through arbitrary courses of law and expected to accept it as Righteous when if fact it was NOT the due process. No appeal to a different court, or being subverted into proceedings wrongfully and forced to Courses which are misguided can be acceptable as due process. Particularly when there are defects in that process of law.
Any legal action therefore, if in error has to be corrected and put right. This means that any court or Justices must correct their mistakes and not subvert the blame elsewhere.. or send the Citizen elsewhere when the correct due process failed to have been appropriately provided.
There is a culture of Magistrates courts in the current culture to by obsession and unbending will, of process and habbit... refer defendants to the Crown court.. Denying the defendant every opportunity of corrective action concerning real alleged and factual mistakes in law and procedures that the magistrates courts erred in. Gave faults and defects in and failed to give "Due process" in respect of.
Apparently by 1970 only four clauses from the 1215 Magna Carta remained active in English law. (Clauses 1, 13, 39 and 40)
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Post by Administrator on Mar 12, 2020 23:25:57 GMT
The Associate professor, Benjamin Plener Cover paper "First Amendment Right to a Remedy" seems to concentrate more on Magna Carta and the "Barons" and its transition into the Edward I, II and III charters in the sense that it conveys the rights of and firmly establishes the Rights of the Citizens. Although the right to due legal process itself obviously being a right of citizens. He doesn't really focus of how the current legislation does in fact fit and bring compatibility to those ancient and preexisting rights through the Human Rights act 1999 and even the Criminal Procedure rules 2005 being English laws. Although the framework for remedy and injury is fantastic as I wouldn't have thought to include that I should read it again. And look again at the Jeremy Johnson QC paper although it is only 6 pages.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 13, 2020 0:23:20 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Mar 13, 2020 1:59:23 GMT
William Shakespeare William Orange
By Arbitraty and Diverse courses of poetry political Runnymede?
There are 6 William's also in the opening of Magna Carta which is significant
William Bishop London William Bishop Coventry William Marshall earl of Pembroke William earl of Salisbury William earl of Warren William earl of Arundel
It also mentions Alan De Galloway Constable of Scotland which is why I believe the Chief Constables get carried away with themselves as if they have become Royalist QPM party. Having Constables mentioned in Magna Carta...
Failing to give serious consideration to the fact that Edward III second great Charter gave the laws to us all to use for the Citizens. Not just the police.
Don't bash your Bishop, chief.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 14, 2020 13:11:35 GMT
I've bought this to read and review, which has arrived.. Looks like its about what we have covered.. the evil Judges of Royalist courts leading into the Long Parliament & establishment of dedicated committees for the public to collect and submit evidence by petition to parliament It might mention those committee's in detail.. as its referenced by Peter Ackroyd. I am going to leave this until after I've done the Magna Carta.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 14, 2020 20:27:10 GMT
Right.
I've read the Magna Carta translation today. Never read it properly before.
I'm glad that I already know the current legislation that I've studied and understand and remember. For the General legislation and also the Road Traffic acts, Highway acts, Human Rights act and Criminal procedure rules.
And also, now that I have gained through study, some further insights into the 1688 Bill of Rights, its creation, the Civil War around it.. and its Origins from the Edward III Second Great Charter..
It's clear that our modern complaints systems and the fundamental principles of practice and belief systems and laws definitely can be identified originating and stemming from clauses in the Magna Carta.
So I feel in a good position to do a review to add it to this evidence because important things contained within it, highlight and emphasise the importance of process and procedures for complaints, Settlement of Greivences and the due remedy and responsibility the Civil Servants and authorities have to correct their mistakes.
It also strongly indicates that immediate relief in certain circumstances when claimed.. must be provided. And why. What principles and laws are behind it and the authority to which commands such remedy.
I made some brief notes when I read the full text. I think I will make a video and do a recorded discussion as well as put the notes next to each clause.. and post the image.
I'm confident that with this applied and submitted to the various parties involved, that a solution can be reached.
It's clear that around that time there was a lot of Religious material being written.. illuminated scripts of the early Christian church. And the Magna Carta is definitely religious in context as much as the making of early law. It refers itself to even more ancient rites.
The name Magna Carter therefore is as much a work of art and poetry as well as law. Although it has no pictures..
We can benefit multiple meanings and interpretation poetically gleaned just from the title, as hints of what it contains.
Magna carter can be understood as... Much more than good old Art, An Illuminated script of cartography, Manuscript.
Magnetic pages of enactment, that are intended to have a power and force that is exercised through man, by the faculty of understanding. Whereby we have "Magnetic Cartography"
The word carta also suggests a cart. A waggon, Transport. Something that carries something, transports something.. delivers it. So we have delivery of the information, knowledge, rites that are coded into the manuscript itself into the pages, as DNA is coded into the beast or creature itself.. which lends reference to the "number of the beast" Carts, though are not just cartography.. But cart is actually a physical object a device and construction made by man to carry and convey people or goods. Pulled by a horse, or men. A Cart would attract people to it. Particularly if it could carry people aboard it and reduce time of journeys and difficulty of journeys to reach a particular destination or place, a pilgrimage even to a place of sanctuary or enlightenment.. and this cart helps us get there. Just as the Magna Carta help us reach the social and spiritual destination of peace and order.
The Magnetic cart always sticks to its owner & cannot be taken away from them (clearly the right to its use as well) to be in control of it. Regardless of how attractive it is to others
So, as I've been aware of this alternative meaning and because in law, the subject of the car, and Road travel is always a hot topic.. I did wonder if it could actually include something about Carta or horses IN the Magna Carta. I didn't actually expect it to, though.. Because nobody ever mentions it.
David Cameron never cared to mention the reality that Magna Carta does, importantly contain clauses about horses and carts.
In fact, use and ownership of them And it not being lawful for them to be taken from their owner by law.
It's no wonder that William Shakespeare is known for never mentioning Magna Carta in any of his plays. Not even in King John. But if we know that a playwright would not actually make reference to another writers "script" , their "work" but merely write their own scripts... we can understand that Shakespeare does cover the themes of Magna Carta.. because these are the acts of our lives, the story's...
Marriage, separation, love, loss, betrayal, Crime, and yes... Horses...
A horse, a horse, my Kingdom for a Horse. Indeed.
In this sense, we already have the Magna Carta so Shakespeare does not need to mention it. Merely foretell about the people around it... be they High Born, of good standing or be they evil.
Its seems only recently in law that the motor car has been taken from us.. along with our right to free use of it.
And I believe it's the legacy of The Prince Philip and his obsession with motoring, power, control and the military regime that has twisted and corrupted the laws to his bent will in recent history that has resulted in the ancient rights of Magna Carta being infringed on. Along with his crooked and insane Chief officers, Constables.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 14, 2020 21:31:19 GMT
So... one of the most controversial things in the daily life of the layman of modest birth and honest background.. Is the Car. The motor vehicle. The horse and cart of the common man.
It's no wonder legends talk of "The Highway man" And HM Government has it's own "Highways Agency" and opposition party.
Therefore, laws of Highways and travel on the roads are intimately woven into the Magna Carta which is considered the most Ancient and iconic heritage of this Government and Parliament itself.
Religion, the Catholic Church, Cardinals and the Pope.. faith and GOD are enshrined and enacted together in the oldest and most important landmark in democracy itself.
As if law, religion, men, marriage & bishops, were merged together with a horse like some sort of Greek Centaur creature of mythology.
I am delighted to discover that our rights to transport.. free transport are part of our democratic heritage.
Lessons that good teachers like David Cameron fall short of our lessons worth by.
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