MACCLESFIELD Silk Road/Mill Lane fixed RED LIGHT CAMERA.

I am measuring the road curve at Macclesfield Silk road, as seen in the video

When two PCSO Community support officers turn up to see & check if I am "Ok". as the Council CCTV saw me measuring the nearby traffic light warning sign & other traffic lights earlier in the day & I then returned to measure the Silk road Traffic light camera 40 meter curve in the evening/night time.. & the Council wanted to see if everything was Ok & ask what I was doing.

I gave my details & they told me many interesting things like the POLICE do not install Cheshire cameras it is different to West Yorkshire & it is the council who maintain & change the camera film of the cameras. The police only send out the tickets.

As the Video contains my details & have muted it & here is a transcript - recorded only from about half way through the encounter with the PCSO's

Male PCSO: What do you mean?

Me: 1, 2, 1 ?!

Male PCSO: So its for court is it?

Female PCSO: Whats your date of birth?

Me: So your not actually from Cheshire police then?

Male PCSO: Yes

Me: So your not from the council then?

Male PCSO: What were saying is that we dont actually have anything to do with the council & the camera were with the police (traffipax)

Me: so you cant actually report that, can you report that to the council? (my complaint previously mentioned regarding the road not being straight)

Because the council are in partnership with the police..

Female PCSO: Unfortunately they are 2 different agencies, so if its anything do do with (council) its not them directly)

Me: Which department of the council is..?

Male PCSO: Highways, Highways..

Me: So only the Highways department is in Partnership with the Police? & not the rest of the council?

Female PCSO: .. No, no.. theres..

Male PCSO: Its Like Saying the NHS are in partnership with us (the Police). Were an agency that works with them.. But we dont have the authority..

Me: when they make the plans to put the camera there...Do the council meet the police?

Male PCSO: They pass on information.... We cannot say to them (police to the council) that you need to go put a camera up there.

Me: I was told in Huddersfield by one of the traffic planning guys.. When he was servicing some traffic lights.. I had a chance to ask him some questions. & I said, Who places the cameras? & he said the police place the cameras & enforce it. The council doesnt have anything to do with it at all.

Male PCSO: Thats not what happens in Cheshire

Me: No? Is it completely different in Cheshire then?

Female PCSO: Yes. Unfortunately, different areas enforce it differently.

Me: Is the Chief of police not directly responsible for that camera then? Its the council, then?

Female PCSO: Its the council.

Me: The Roads department?

Female PCSO: Yes

Male PCSO: Didnt you know thet then?

Me: Well, thats usefull information for my court case because I was writing to the Chief of police.

Male PCSO: We dont have anything to do with speed cameras.

Female PCSO: if it goes to court we retrieve the information from them.

Me: is it a council van that comes then?

Female PCSO: Yes

Me: Because in West Yorkshire, they set off from the police station. & they have a guy called Alan White...

Male PCSO: (Laughing)

Me: The police set off from the police station.

Male PCSO: Yes, err no sorry Oh, They do.. from the council..

Me: because the police in West yorkshire.. Set off from Bradford, Manningham police station in police marked vehicles & change the film in the cameras.. but... (so) in Cheshire its completely different?

Female PCSO: Its the council

Me: Its the council that does it...(then) But on my, on my prosecution thing from court yeah, It says the Witness is C.I.V. Ben Majid. But isnt a C.I.V. working for the police?

Both officers: "No"

Male PCSO: A C.I.V. is not any kind of rank.

Me: But i thought a C.I.V. is a non constable officer (police)

Both officers: Nope.

Me: So whats C.I.V. stand for?

Male PCSO: Just a civillian.....

Me: can you just make a note that ive been measuring the road for a court case?

Female PCSO: yeah, yeah. Whats your birth date?

Me: _________

Female PCSO: & where are you currently living at the moment?

Me: __________________________

Female PCSO: Yep..

Me: __________________________

Female PCSO: & what was that postcode again?

Me: __________ & could probably go on the internet and give you the court case code.

Male PCSO: nah, its ok..

Me: I cam probably sent it to them (the council)

Female PCSO: asks postcode AGAIN. (3rd time)

Female PCSO: Were you born in West Yorkshire?

Me: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah......... I delivery drive. Im here every week for work. Passing every week nearly. Ive never, ive never obviously.. i dont go though red lights. (it was) Bad timing. 0.7 seconds. I think it... Im in that Navy Blue van over there.... I think its because the van is really long, yeah. & the van is 2 cars long so... Once the first half of the van has gone through the lights the tail end of it is still over the line so it can think thats another car. If you see what i mean. (gestures) Twice as long.... It must happen with HGV's. I think. Thats why it has to scan the whole size of the vehicle so it knows what type of vehicle it is.

Male PCSO: yeah...

Me: & if its turning while you go through, err, it cant get an accurate scan of it .. because its supposed to go in a straight line, like that (gestures example) So as it turns...

Do you know what that sign is actually out for? who put it there? points to a yellow box sign with arrow to the right at the traffic lights lane split) roadworks/diversion sign)

I were here the other day & ermm it wasnt there. So it must just have been put out. & there isnt any roadworks around here...so..

Male PCSO: i think there might be a diversion...

Me: well i did put that cone out there for safety you know. Do make sure. And you cant even damage a car driving over a... (flat soft tape measure)

Male PCSO: I think it was more of the fact that if you are going to come out here... (you need to be carefull and watch what you are doing)

Me: yeah well.. stop look & listen isnt it? Pedestrians do kind of have right of way in this country .. There its bright yellow... I dont think its dangerous to any vehicle..

Male PCSO: Its not dangerous to any vehicle, we were just worried about you. Thats it.

Me: Its not a no pedestrian area..

Male PCSO: Were not here to tell you that you have to do this that & the Other... If your using the area.. (laughing)

Me: Im here for legitimate reasons. Ive got to do it! Ive got to do it. You are allowed to. You've got certain powers when gathering evidence for legal purposes anyway. Like solicitors powers.

im just about to go get a chicken kebab from town after this anyway...

Male PCSO: are you going after this?

Me: yeah, i just wanted to measure it... You dont think thats... You dont think its straight?! (gesture to road)

The thing is, yeah... You know the camera part, here.. Thats got to be Ten meters in front of that .. Its gotr to be free as well, with no vehicles.. So because its pointing that way.. You know, on this lane here...

Male PCSO: yeah...

Me: the camera is pointing that way... the part that should be clear.. Normally would be...here.. this way here... (gestures) This pavements clear isnt it.. Except for that green sign there... Put this is pointing over there.. (camera) That would normally be the pavement this slip road... here, right... but .. so thats meant to be pavement (road) its not supposed to have any cars going over that.. now that it is radio detecting cars from that way..

Male PCSO: right then, we are going to leave you to it...

Me: thanks a lot...

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Velocity Measurements with coaxial cable ("Star Box") approved measuring equipment (typical): M4² Traffipax Truvelo Traffiphot S (Robot) V-control electronics II (AD) coaxial cable measurements: Piezo cable measuring devices are often referred to as "Star Box", because the at the edge of the road on a mast-mounted housing the measuring computer and the photo system houses, a bird house is similar. The measuring data will be obtained from piezo sensor cables. This cable loops are in the carriageway. Depending on the type of device you are set as the double loop or three single cable at the same distance are positioned one behind the other. The measurement principle is based on the resulting change in vehicle weight of the electrical voltage in the case of piezo-electric cables. Crossing a vehicle this coaxial cable, so the sensors register the exact time of the pressure applied and forward this information to the computer. Independent quartz watches determine the respective transit times between the coaxial cables whose distance is calibrated and therefore fixed. The computer determines the speed according to the formula: Speed = path/transit time. Measurement types: with coaxial cable measuring systems are only the lanes monitors on which measurement loops are routed. The registration is done as a front photo. The travel direction can, if needed, when both directions of travel are monitored automatically detected. Measuring procedure: for each measurement are at least two control values to two cable loops. They are internally by the device evaluation software checked for conformity. Are you up to the permissible tolerance will be the photo system is activated and the speed on the registration photo displayed. The measured direction - provided that the plant is designed for both directions of travel - if the data field of the photos by icons next to the speed. Tolerances: From the measured speed is 3 km/h to 100 km/h and 3% over 100 km/h) disconnected. Measuring deviations that are determined on the basis of special circumstances to be taken into account separately. Calibration: the measuring device must have a valid calibration. The calibration period can be taken from the calibration certificate. In uncalibrated measuring systems, the measuring security cannot be guaranteed. On the basis of life acts of the device can be checked whether and if necessary when repairs have been made on the device. Check the wire loop the coaxial cable loops must be separately, typically every 6 months. Without a valid test, the special certification, a proper function or provision appropriate loop distance cannot be guaranteed. ADAC e.V. transport policy and consumer protection Verkehr.politik@zentrale.adac.de test measurements: before the start of the test must be carried out a calibration test, the photographic is registered. This will include the correct transmission and display of the data on the negative film checked that otherwise would not be guaranteed. Cancellation Rate: measurements in which the comparison of the measured values is negative control, device internally canceled. In plants of this type may only a certain proportion of all measurements are canceled - The cancellation rate is at the end of the negative film is displayed. The proportion is over 20%, it had to be the cause for this can be found, in order to avoid potential measurement errors for the registered vehicles excluded. The system should in this case be reviewed for possible failure. Unrealistic Tempo Indications: speed measured values, the design of the vehicles is not achieved, are an important note that the measuring system can be defective and should be verified. Cable distance, wear the wire loop: Due to the high temperatures, heavy axle loads or braking effect of the vehicles can be located with the time of the distance of the measurement loops shorter. This would be high measured values are to be measured. The natural wear of the piezo-electric loops can in the transfer of signals from the cable to the computing unit relevant faults occur, a measurement to the detriment of the affected could influence. It is therefore necessary that the loop at regular intervals to check what is certified separately. Pressure waves which objects on the measuring loop: Major

Geschwindigkeitsmessungen mit Koaxialkabel ("Starenkasten") Zugelassene Messanlagen (typisch): Truvelo M4² Traffipax Traffiphot S (Robot) V-Controll II (AD Elektronik) Koaxialkabelmessungen: Piezokabel-Messgeräte werden oft als „Starenkästen“ bezeichnet, da das am Straßenrand auf einem Mast montierte Gehäuse, das den Messrechner und die Fotoanlage beherbergt, einem Vogelhäuschen ähnelt. Die Messdaten werden dabei aus Piezosensorkabeln gewonnen. Diese Kabelschleifen sind in der Fahrbahn eingelassen. Je nach Geräteart werden sie als Doppelschleifen oder drei einzelne Kabel im gleichen Abstand hintereinander angeordnet. Das Messprinzip stützt sich auf die unter Fahrzeuggewicht entstandene Veränderung der elektrischen Spannung bei Piezokabeln. Überfährt ein Fahrzeug diese Koaxialkabel, so registrieren die Sensoren den genauen Zeitpunkt der Druckeinwirkung und leiten diese Information an den Rechner weiter. Unabhängig voneinander arbeitende Quarzuhren ermitteln die jeweiligen Durchfahrtszeiten zwischen den Koaxialkabeln, deren Abstand geeicht ist und somit feststeht. Der Rechner ermittelt die Geschwindigkeit nach der Formel: Geschwindigkeit = Weg/Durchfahrtszeit. Messarten: Mit Koaxialkabel-Messanlagen werden nur die Fahrstreifen überwacht, auf denen Messschleifen verlegt sind. Die Registrierung erfolgt als Frontfoto. Die Fahrtrichtung kann bei Bedarf, wenn beide Fahrtrichtungen überwacht werden, automatisch erkannt werden. Messablauf: Bei jeder Messung werden mindestens zwei Kontrollwerte an zwei Kabelschleifen gebildet. Sie werden geräteintern von der Auswertesoftware auf Übereinstimmung geprüft. Sind sie bis auf die zulässige Toleranz gleich, so wird die Fotoanlage aktiviert und die Geschwindigkeit auf das Registrierfoto eingeblendet. Die gemessene Fahrtrichtung - vorausgesetzt die Anlage ist für beide Fahrtrichtungen ausgelegt - wird auf dem Datenfeld des Fotos durch Symbole neben der Geschwindigkeit angezeigt. Toleranzen: Von der gemessenen Geschwindigkeit werden 3 km/h bis 100 km/h und 3% über 100 km/h abgezogen. Messabweichungen, die aufgrund besonderer Umstände festgestellt werden, sollen gesondert berücksichtigt werden. Eichung: Das Messgerät muß eine gültige Eichung haben. Die Eichfrist kann dem Eichschein entnommen werden. Bei ungeeichten Messanlagen kann die Messsicherheit nicht garantiert werden. Anhand der Lebensakte des Gerätes kann geprüft werden, ob und ggf. wann Reparaturen am Gerät vorgenommen wurden. Prüfung der Kabelschleifen Die Koaxialkabel-Schleifen müssen gesondert, in der Regel alle 6 Monate, geprüft werden. Ohne gültige Prüfung, die gesondert bescheinigt wird, kann eine einwandfreie Funktion oder vorschriftgemäßer Schleifenabstand nicht garantiert werden. ADAC e.V. Verkehrspolitik und Verbraucherschutz verkehr.politik@zentrale.adac.de Testmessungen: Vor Messbeginn muss ein Kalibriertest durchgeführt werden, der fotografisch registriert wird. Dadurch werden u.a. die korrekte Übertragung und Einblendung der Daten auf den Negativfilm überprüft, die sonst nicht garantiert werden könnten. Annullierungsrate: Messungen, bei denen der Abgleich der Kontrollmesswerte negativ ausgefallen ist, werden geräteintern annulliert. Bei Anlagen dieses Typs darf nur ein bestimmter Anteil aller Messungen annulliert werden – die Annullierungsrate wird am Ende des Negativfilmes eingeblendet. Liegt dieser Anteil über 20%, so müsste erst die Ursache dafür gefunden werden, um mögliche Messfehler bei den registrierten Fahrzeugen auszuschließen. Die Anlage sollte in diesem Fall auf mögliche Defekte überprüft werden. Unrealistische Tempoanzeigen: Geschwindigkeitsmesswerte, die bauartbedingt von den Fahrzeugen gar nicht erreicht werden können, sind ein wichtiger Hinweis, dass die Messanlage defekt sein kann und daher überprüft werden sollte. Kabelabstand, Abnutzung der Kabelschleifen: Aufgrund hoher Temperaturen, schwerer Achslasten oder Bremswirkung der Fahrzeuge kann sich mit der Zeit der Abstand der Messschleifen verkürzen. Dadurch würden zu hohe Messwerte gemessen werden. Durch die natürliche Abnutzung der piezoelektrischen Schleifen können bei der Signalübertragung vom Kabel an die Recheneinheit relevante Störungen entstehen, die eine Messung zuungunsten der Betroffenen beeinflussen könnten. Daher ist es erforderlich, in regelmäßigen Abständen die Schleifen zu überprüfen, was gesondert bescheinigt wird. Druckwellen, Gegenstände auf Messschleifen: Durch die Bremseinwirkung schwerer Fahrzeuge, begünstigt durch z.B. hohe Temperaturen, können sogenannte Druckwellen in der Asphaltdecke entstehen, die eine verfrühte Messauslösung verursachen könnten. Auch flache Gegenstände, wie z.B. ein Brett, könnten die Achslasten der Fahrzeuge verfrüht auf die Messschleifen übertragen. Dies hätte zur Folge, dass das Tempo zu hoch errechnet wird. Da aber an mindestens zwei Schleifen gemessen wird, können die meisten dieser Messfehler von der Messanlage automatisch erkannt und solche Messungen annulliert werden. Allgemeines: Durch die fotometrische Auswertung der vorhandenen Registrierfotos kann ein Sachverständiger u.a. die Fotoposition des betroffenen Fahrzeugs mit den Positionen anderer, annährend gleich schnell fahrender Fahrzeuge vergleichen und somit feststellen, ob ein Messfehler vorliegen kann. ADAC e.V. Verkehrspolitik und Verbraucherschutz verkehr.politik@zentrale.adac.de

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On the very informative page www.radarfalle.de , see Great pictures about traffic monitoring



A speed measuring system Traffipax of a Polish police car



These systems have been used on the passenger side dashboard. Here was used the Robot motor recorder 36 BET. The lens is a telephoto Xenar 1: 3.8 / 75 mm is from Schneider Kreuznach. The plant was operated at 12 volts.



In the housing, a respective slot with electronics, tachometer, and a mechanical watch with date display it. The data of the speedometer of the time and date were reflected by mirrors and a lens in the camera.





Traffipax IV from the '60s. This speed measuring system has been used in Mercedes vehicles DB 180 and DB 220th This plant has been set on the passenger side at the dashboard and could from there to photograph the previously-propelled vehicles. A flashlight was disguised as a front fog lights on the bumper. On the wings sat a second tachometer, this was the passenger to determine the speed of the preceding vehicle. The built-in Traffipax speedometer was not visible from outside. All in all a mechanically very complex thing.




The camera is a Robot Motor recorder 36 BET 2 with a telephoto lens Xenar 1: 3.8 / 75mm Schneider Kreuznach. In this lens, the distance to 20 meters was !!! detected.

Built in Traffipax IV housing was a calibrated speedometer to 170 kmh !! and on a slide, a mechanical watch. In this case, the clock is a Revue Thommen Aircraft Clock. On this slide, the date had to be adjusted before each ride. The acquired data, speed, time and date were then reflected in triggering the camera.

This Mercedes for detecting the speed of the preceding vehicle, an additional speedometer on the passenger side was front mounted on the fender.







The two recorders with a special twin bracket and photographing the mounted on the fender calibrated speedometer and the vehicle ahead.

Such was the Stone Age into the Verkehrsüberwachug. Today unthinkable.

A Robot distance measuring system with the in the 70s of motorway bridges, the distances of the vehicles were photographed.




In the base of the plant a 6 volt battery is installed.

In the lid are each a mechanical Junghans stopwatch to measure the time in the selected distance has been traveled and a mechanical Herrenarmbanduhr anchor, to control the time of day. Both watches are reflected in triggering a mirror and lens system in the Robot Recorder. Here Wirde a Robot MotorRecorder 36 e with manual winding and a Raynox Lens 1: 2.8 / 135 mm.

Here you can see the current products of the company. Robot Visual Systems in Monheim. Robot is now one of Jenoptik in Jena.



MULTANOVA MultaGuard is the practical use of container for speed measurements with the traffic radar MULTANOVA 6F. The system can be easily charged and discharged when a station wagon as a transport vehicle by their custom dimensions.





An integrated interface allows direct control of camera with all functions of external devices and systems. Together with the integrated iris control for use in all lighting conditions forms the ROBOT multiscript unit complex, universal receptacle.






The world-famous traffic radar MULTANOVA 6F provides among others an automatic shooting and a clear assignment of the speed to the measured vehicle. In addition to the tripod mode of installation on a vehicle, a cabin or installation on a mast is also possible



The new concept, the unit is also compatible with the digital ROBOT SmartCamera.





The red light monitoring system MULTANOVA MultaStar C is fully automatic. The change of a traffic light on red activates the monitoring system which photographed a by traveling at a red vehicle then twice. The first photo serves as proof of the actual crossing the stop line, the second photo of argument Transgression data - the date, the time, the Rotübertretungs-time, the measuring point as well as the film and photo number - are displayed in the picture.








With the traffic radar TRAFFIPAX SpeedoPhot II you with a pioneering combination of devices available that covers all aspects of modern traffic control in their facility. in the vehicle, on a stand or as a radar cabin - - The unique concept is a universal application with just one device possible





The robust, practical, electrically operated special camera is equipped with standard 35-mm films. A comprehensive range of accessories and many possibilities for expansion and adaptation make the traditional ROBOT MotorRecorder to one of the most versatile cameras ever.




By ROBOT Photo Script method of measuring data or computer systems in the upper edge of the negative are reflected. The unit is equipped with a multifunctional stylus that can so be represented by its graphics capability also symbols and scripts such as Chinese, Arabic









spyWith the traffic radar TRAFFIPAX SpeedoPhot II you with a pioneering combination of devices available that covers all aspects of modern traffic control in their facility. in the vehicle, on a stand or as a radar cabin - - The unique concept is a universal application with just one device possible.




The combination system TRAFFIPAX TraffiPhot III-SR for red light cameras and speed measurements.

fully automatic, microprocessor-controlled operation
powerful heating and Kühlsys-tem (-20 ° to + 60 ° C)
simple, hassle-free operation
universally applicable for rear or frontal shots
simultaneous monitoring of multiple lanes with different signal groups
also available with digital ROBOT SmartCamera



Furthermore, the TRAFFIPAX TraffiPhot III automatically records all successor vehicles and automatically interrupts the shooting in a traffic jam.

The system can be used universally for rear and frontal shots and can monitor up to three lanes with different traffic light phases and separate Rotstartzeiten simultaneously. Other benefits include: checking the installed program data on a large, legible LCD display; Data retention in case of power failure for 30 days; high capacity by 30-meter magazine; integrated traffic counter for statistical analysis; weather-independent operation with powerful heating and cooling system for ambient temperatures from -20ºC to + 60ºC.



(THIS LOOKS LIKE THE SAME DISPLAY AS MACCLESFIELD!)



The proven speed monitoring system TRAFFIPAX TraffiPhot S corresponds entirely to the requirements of modern traffic monitoring. It keep the acquisition and operating costs any comparison.



The system is fully automatic and electronically controlled by the secure, unassailable triple-measuring method with piezo sensors and microprocessor analysis. It provides a perfect photo documentation by the ROBOT Photo Script data einspiegelungssystem, has a compact design, can be used universally for rear or frontal shots and monitors up to two lanes. It can 800 shots are fired without changing film by the 30-meter film magazine.



There is the option of additional equipment with the TRAFFIPAX memory card system for data storage for computer-assisted analysis and statistics.



The digital ROBOT SmartCamera is a modular, intelligent device. Based on a standard PC reaches the camera - with a magnitude analog CCD cameras is comparable - an up today unmatched functionality. Integrated in the camera housing are of the CCD chip, an analog-to-digital converter and a complete PC. The camera features in addition to the ISDN and Ethernet interfaces via a hot shoe and a serial interface to the connected measuring systems, are read on the measurement data and stored with the image.



The digital ROBOT SmartCamera combines several advantages: First, it has the quality and speed of a conventional wet film camera, and on the other it offers easy handling with the possibility of immediate further processing of recordings - without the intermediate amount of time and cost, the conventional film processing brings with it.







The pioneering digital ROBOT SmartCamera.

high-resolution CCD modular frontend
performance embedded PC tech nology
integrated interface to LAN and WAN networks
connector-compatible with ROBOT Multi-Script (wet film technology)
used in all systems TRAFFIPAX




















I have not altered any images or words from the google translation of this traffipax museum page translation.

I still am not 100% clear if i need more info on the TRAFFIPAX Traffiphot S or the TRAFFIPAX Traffiphot III

I think its the S. I still arent 100% if this combines with under road sensors!? aargh!

One thing is for certain, We sell German made electric motors & controls for products, and It is pretty much the same kind of level of electronics/engineering!