Post by Administrator on Jan 28, 2020 15:20:37 GMT
When an act (or Bill) is passed (as the 1688 Bill of Rights has)
It is to be enacted by the Kings most excellent majesty" which means.. people are supposed to be complying with it.
Including the police and CPS. And courts.
Therefore they should be applying the Right to Petition into effect. Acting it out into application.
That's the entire point.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
So this is Amazing!! Up until 1972 they still had this old style Court doing the rounds until it was consolidated into the modern "Crown Court" can hear Criminal and Civil cases...
This absolutely puts the Entire courts out of Jurisdiction where petitioning parliament is concerned..
The courts of assize, or assizes (/əˈsaɪzɪz/), were periodic courts held around England and Wales until 1972, when together with the quarter sessions they were abolished by the Courts Act 1971 and replaced by a single permanent Crown Court. The assizes exercised both civil and criminal jurisdiction, though most of their work was on the criminal side.[1] The assizes heard the most serious cases, which were committed to it by the quarter sessions (local county courts held four times per year), while the more minor offences were dealt with summarily by justices of the peace in petty sessions (also known as magistrates' courts).
The word assize refers to the sittings or sessions (Old French assises) of the judges, known as "justices of assize", who were judges who travelled across the seven circuits of England and Wales on commissions of "oyer and terminer", setting up court and summoning juries at the various assize towns.
The modern courts have a "Circuit" for example.. the North West circuit.. or North East Circuit.. the Queen (or Kings) Judges travel from court to court to hear the cases. Nowadays they do the local circuit they are assigned to. In the historical framework they would travel the entire country... sitting at each court of the full country circuit. That's the traditional meaning. The Kings/Queens Judges, Justices.
The court is merely a venue. A building. To accommodate the Justices when they visit the local area to hear the listed cases. The Jurisdiction is in the actual Person . The Judge... who is appointed by the Queen or King.. meaning (Kings Bench) nowadays the Queens Bench is in the Royal Courts of Justice. But we know what the terminology means...
Therefore... when you are petitioning parliament over a cause... engaged in..
All commitments and prosecutions by the (travelling Judges on their Circuits or any of the Monarchs Judges) are illegal.
Because you are already engaging In a cause/case you are bringing to Parliament to debate/decide/hear.
The historical context is important because there were very odd things going on with Cromwell during the Civil war a d before.. many Injustices and dubious prosecution of women, witches as well as other questionable trials. So I believe that the Rights of the Subjects was created in 1688 to ensure the public were protected from any injustices by the Kings Bench in order to resolve and very serious issues directly with parliament fairly. __________
Absolutely bewildering...
Matthew Hopkins was Appointed the "Witchfinder General" by Oliver Cromwell
I didn't realise that this Witch Hunting was going on same time as the Civil War. Therefore its ridiculous to know what authority they were acting under if the King was at War with the Roundheads... how was the country operating?
This information says that "all standard legal procedures were bypassed" because Witchcraft was so serious and terrible.
The Witch finders were not officially set by parliament but carried papers to validation of their rank and operations..
Apparently they executed estimated 300 Witches ?!
If the law was being bypassed... And also certain Christian church leaders were also being prosecuted for having religious beliefs opposed to the Kings Particular faith... And added to the Civil War crimes as well..
No wonder the 1688 Bill of Rights... gave explicitly protection to the subjects (public) from the courts.
Because there will have been so many atrocities
Matthew Hopkins (c. 1620 – 12 August 1647) was an English witch-hunter whose career flourished during the English Civil War. He claimed to hold the office of Witchfinder General, although that title was never bestowed by Parliament. His witch-hunts mainly took place in East Anglia.[1]
Last Edit: Feb 2, 2020 18:46:29 GMT by Administrator
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
The modern "Police Chief" crusade against drivers...
The persecution of normal innocent people trying to get to work and home again..
Must be acknowledged as a modern equivalent of the ridiculous lengths Matthew Hopkins went to in his absurdity of hunting down these women..
The Chief officers.. have created a Trap and catch network and promoted and got people to "believe" their cause is righteous.. against the Normal regular person..
Labelling them as "bad people" , Dangerous, and setting traps for them... While gaining titles, rewards, Honor and money from it..
To the absolute distress and harassment the public recieve from these Hunter Soliders and Solicitors picking the bones.. draining the finances of business men, a competition. People being misled...
They are going to have to reflect on their actions. Because their delusions of acting for safety and for the public are not honest in full light of the facts. Which are that people have been bullied and an entire cause has been manufactured to justify what the Chief officers have done.. Particularly Manchester.. M60 Sir Peter Fahy.. Breadbury.. absolutely pure Male Hunting set up. And the Chief officers have been above the law... literally psycho. Psycho police chiefs. As if they are Lords yet they break every rule and regulation to set their schemes up.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
Why did Cromwell have these Witch Finders focused around the East Anglia area? Which is where he was from?
Something unusual going on... His own religious experience.. The Civil War.... Apparently parliament were not fully aware or fully Endorsing these witch trials and certain methods were stopped or banned...
I think there were clearly lots of miscarriages of justice. And after the Civil War... It clearly was decided... after Cromwell Died and the public still were at unease..
That some sort of Rights needed to be established to protect against the courts.. so that people could actually of their own Right bring a matter to Parliament.
Last Edit: Feb 2, 2020 19:47:41 GMT by Administrator
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
Very informative back story and setting for events leading upto the 1688 Bill of rights
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
The actual register is now in a somewhat faded condition, and is held among the archives of the combined parishes of Manningtree and Mistley (not Midley, as stated above), and is kept by the Suffolk Records Office in Ipswich. The actual entry reads:
“1647 Aug 12 Matthew s M : James HOPKINGS, Minister of Wenham, buried at Mistley”.
Brief though this confirmation is, it also mentions his father, the first factual evidence ever found concerning the origins of Matthew Hopkins. From what we learn of his father James Hopkins, leads us to a clearer insight into the early life of the notorious Witch Finder General.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
Hmmmm According to this Hopkins (Hopkings) was a minister. But also Cromwell's head of secret service.
So no idea why, in this film version they have the Roubdheads versus the Witchfinder as according to this literature.. The witchfinder was on the same side as Cromwell's Roundheads. Although it was the king who had material on Demonology..
From this we can see that Hopkins also used the Thorn Inn as the base from which to increase his influence among the countries celebrated and political elite. John Thurlowe it turns out was the son of Thomas Thurlowe, the rector of Abbess Roding in Essex. Being about the same age as Hopkins, he had studied law as a young man through which profession they may have made initial contact. At the time of their meetings in the Thorn Inn, and as the title of ‘Number One Argus’ would indicate, he had become Cromwell’s ‘Chief of Secret Service’. In 1645, Thurlowe was appointed one of the Secretaries to the Commissioners of Parliament at the Treaty of Uxbridge, and thus may well have become Hopkins’ link to other sources of Government in London.
William Lilly, by the time of the Thorn Inn meetings had become one the countries leading and most influential astrologers. He had contacts on both sides of the political ‘civil war’ divide, as well as prominent members of the countries aristocracy. The same source above indicates that Hopkins undoubtedly consulted with Lilly: “on various matters relating to shippes and cargoes as well as some darker aspects of the Signes of the Times appertayning to witchcraft amonge other things”.
Hopkins was also able to call on influential family friends to aid and pave the way for his future campaign. In his fathers will, one of the executors was a Nathaniel Bacon. Research shows that Nathaniel Bacon (1593-1660) was the third son of Edward Bacon of Shrubland Hall. According to the ‘Tendring Witchcraft Revelations’, he was an extreme Puritan and violently anti-Catholic. In 1643, he was elected the Recorder of Ipswich, and later Recorder of Bury St Edmonds. He was also chairman of the Central Committee (sitting at Cambridge) which presided over the seven counties of the Eastern Counties’ Association. In 1645, he was involved with the Long Parliament as one of the members for Cambridge University.
Since 1642, civil war had been raging throughout the country and Essex was a backbone area for the Roundheads. Hopkins, like other ruthless men before him, was able to use the prevailing mood of uncertainty, fear, tension and anxiety to turn public opinion to his own advantage. As the war raged, the need to exchange information was perhaps what brought such a diverse group of people together at the Thorn Inn. Hopkins it seems was ideally located and able to exploit and gain through them, the approbation and support he needed for the holocaust which followed.
It seems to me like during the chaos of the Civil war... this was an excuse to take a load of extra money and get rid of a load more people..
Seems like a mini version of the Hitler and Jews type thing..
I think Cromwell wanted to fund and build and train an army. Also get rid of powerful persons by actually using the law itself as a evil power and force over people that would essentially take away their personal power by making it lawfully to kill them and bypass the courts.
Its questionable if Cromwell was the Protector of the common people at all.
As they were plundered and harmed by both sides... cavaliers and Roundheads..
Did parliament create the entire rouse to give excuse to a power cull??
Similarly to the police and courts going after people's money and driving licences unless they are "party supporters who get assisted.
I think it's a power battle to tread opposition underfoot.
Last Edit: Feb 5, 2020 20:06:59 GMT by Administrator
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
Some people are saying Cromwell was not present or on that list, at the time...
I don't get where the army's came from??? Or how 2 separate sides managed to obtain armies when they are not located far away from each other? Was it more of a "Division" of the forces? Into 2 sides?
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
I think the main current issue with parliament and its various committees..
Is that positions are taken up by the members of the franchise party that has formed the current Government. And the opposition are also a large Franchise party.
They have their own interests as priority
And they seem to ignore, override or argue away many existing laws, functions and rights that the public are eligible to use.. simply because they don't want the public to use them, or the public wants to do things that aren't in line with the franchise policy.
(Its desires) so the public are denied of rights and perfectly valid procedures and yes, the protections they lawfully are entitlement to...
This is a sad product of franchise party politics as opposed to independents and true purposes of democratic rights and voting
1688 Bill of Rights - The right to Petition - It is the Right of the Subjects to petition the Queen & all Commitments & Prosecutions for doing so are illegal.
This is the main thing that is highly frustrating and a major problem with the intelligence and attitude of the Police and Crown prosecution service...
The Criminal procedure rules, part 1...
Absolutely do NOT say, or give instructions
1. To challenge and enter Civil dispute against peoples rights claims.
Or
2. To treat a rights claim as, or regard a rights claim as a defence against a criminal charge. Or as a mitigation factor in a guilty plea.
Nope.
The Criminal Procedure rules part 1 does explicitly say, instruct and give directions to (the authorities) and any party involved in any part of any stage of legal proceedings to.....
RECOGNIZE (and obviously apply into effect) the rights of any defendants where claimed.
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