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Post by Administrator on Feb 23, 2019 20:53:32 GMT
Bentcop . biz
8:52 PM (0 minutes ago)
to Helen.Gretch, francis.jackson - Department of transport
Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967
2.(b) in the case of a trailer drawn by a motor car if the trailer—
Helen....
SO.... are you telling me that a standard "MOTOR-CAR" by the meaning of motor car...
becomes a GOODS VEHICLE, when you attach a trailer to it... so falls into the goods vehicle class? because you are converting the vehicle to have goods carrying capabilities by attaching a trailer to it??
Because that's what it seems like in the original meaning...
And when you don't have a trailer attached.. Its a "motor car" again (private car)…
Yet the construction & use schedule 9 and meaning of motor car.. states that all motor vehicles, no matter goods carrying or passenger carrying are a "motor car". so long as Maximum Gross weight is under 3.5tonnes. Its then not classed with the other goods vehicles.
What about when you are driving such a vehicle when its unloaded and privately as transportation weighing only 2265kg
It would be absolutely ridiculous to be limited to 60mph on a dual carriageway in an IDENTICAL MAKE & MODEL VAN.... unloaded...
When a fully loaded passenger model, of the SAME MAKE & MODEL drives past with 8 people, full baggage & roof rack with camping gear & canoes on the top loaded up to 3.5 tonnes... at 70mph... Ridiculous.
When the goods carrying motor cycle has a higher speed limit originally than the passenger carrying motor cycle.
one minute the law says goods vehicles "other than multi-purpose vehicles" the next minute it says goods vehicles other than "car-derived vans".
Yet the vehicle specifications aren't enough to even get it into the table at all. by proper class.
Somebody is having a laugh at our expense.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 23, 2019 22:34:12 GMT
So... following the origin of and development of "speed limits for certain class of vehicles" back to the Road Traffic act 1967 schedule 5 If you attach a trailer to a "private car" (Motor car under meaning of motor car by the road traffic act) it becomes a GOODS VEHICLE. And is listed thus under speed restrictions for GOODS VEHICLES. So.. you take your wife shopping with a trailer & you are carrying goods of any description.. you are going shopping in a goods vehicle of type (private car & trailer) Yet... If 7 people go shopping in a 8 seater mini bus (Passenger vehicle) WITH TRAILER attached also to carry (goods of any description) it is NOT been transformed into a goods vehicle.... Its magically still a "passenger vehicle" !!!!!! even though you attached a trailer to it!! WOW! brings a whole new meaning to shopping for Goods!! So to avoid being accused of being a Goods vehicle, always take your trailer to the hypermarket with a mini bus! then clearly you are also going to make the supermarket very happy as you will bring them 7 additional customers!!! I Just want to know.... what happens to the Empty 2265kg delivery van (motor car) when its empty and on its way back home, when not working.. but been to the cinema.... certainly not bringing home the whole audience with you, with no seats in the back... Struth. Its a wonder they have a meaning for anything, isn't it.... Never say you were ever directed to any vehicle construction & use or Road traffic act class of anything. < Chris Grayling Mp
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Post by Administrator on Feb 23, 2019 22:44:11 GMT
OK...
So you can't have a mini bus with a trailer under "goods vehicle"
Even though a private car with trailer becomes a goods vehicle..
Because the mini bus would then be "dual purpose" vehicle.. Not under "meaning of dual purpose vehicle" but literally.. As in practical terms.
Goods and passengers.. And they wanted to try keep them separate for clarifying certain things...
They now use the term "car-derived van". Instead..
Now is that only by the "meaning of" car-derived van?? Or... Literally for practical terms?
Because if you want to.. We can explore the meaning of "motor car" and discover a few things too by meanings and specification.. In the sired acts and construction and use..
Which frankly.. Hm Government department of transport don't really want to explore anymore.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 24, 2019 0:09:29 GMT
Weights for all models unlaiden of Mark2 Ford Transit vans mk1mk2transit.freeforums.net/thread/1132/transit-mk2-weightWow . So they All were within the 1.5 tonne unlaiden weight range! The standard vans! Except the heavy engine model I think.. So they were same weights for the faster speed limit.. Same as the mini bus Light vans! And thus also different speed limit to other "Goods Vehicles" for certain.. Not simply the same speed as 7.5 tonne lorrys So basically it's a different class within goods vehicles as I thought.. Basically.. Its a motor car. And as brake systems and safety advance they are a lot safer now as well.. So naturally this reflects advancement.. What I want to know is why, suddenly did they say.. Goods Vehicles except "car-derived vans" when previously they were saying Goods Vehicles except "dual purpose vehicles" When they are totally different meaning (still both motor cars) Seems odd. I believe its more to do with 4x4 vehicles and dual purpose being a cross over between the passenger and goods separate tables.. As they are both. Less to do with weight.. Because previously both categories had weights of many class in them... The modern schedule 6 has very little details.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 24, 2019 9:23:51 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Feb 24, 2019 11:28:31 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Feb 24, 2019 11:39:34 GMT
I wonder if this is the reason for the unusual interpretation of the John Peyton Explanatory note.. He does say light vans (if towing a trailer) And the motor cars are under goods vehicles when towing.. But what about their towbar fitting?? I will need to follow all the highway acts now This adds much more emphasis to the motor vehicles (variation of speed limits) regulations 1973 and road traffic regulation act 1967.. Schedule 5.. In the variation of 1973 under 2.(2).. I actually believe it means those vehicles that ARE drawing a trailer (light vans) which have the 1.5 tones weight when not... Unless it means 50mph for cars fitted with towbar as well as a light van, when not towing? Why does construction and use put light vans under 3.5 tonnes MGW listed as a "motor car" classification. Are cars still meant to have the same speed limit as a van if they are fitted with a towbar?
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Post by Administrator on Feb 24, 2019 18:56:22 GMT
Why does it even use Unladen weights for reference?? Because half the time people are driving around with nothing or nobody in the vehicle.. So it doesn't weigh hardly anything.. And even fully loaded weights less than the "Heavy motor car" goods vehicles.. That's the point
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Post by Administrator on Feb 25, 2019 8:43:33 GMT
video Of further John Peyton explainotory note
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Post by Administrator on Mar 1, 2019 16:52:27 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Mar 2, 2019 0:43:01 GMT
I've realised that this was made not long before the "John" Peyton statutory instruments 1973..
Quite like the motorcycle fully loaded with explosives goods.. Lol
The Character in the film is called "John" also.. I think.. But I used to think he said "Sean" not John. Lol
The New James Bond film is supposed to be code named "Shatterhand" quite cool in relation to Fist full of Dynamite.. Lol
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Post by Administrator on Mar 2, 2019 1:29:26 GMT
Quite like the "Johnny Cash" song but it's a lot more recent.. Early 2000's
As it mentions the "Hundredweight"
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Post by Administrator on Mar 2, 2019 2:53:42 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Mar 2, 2019 9:29:50 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Mar 2, 2019 21:18:12 GMT
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