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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 11:43:39 GMT
So, Collonel John Moore (Dafts) the Petition from the Liverpool Widdows (Women) He Refers to THEM as the Petitioners.
So the (Citizens) ARE the Petitioners. Not Moore. This is likely his hand writing. As He is Member of Parliament.
But This is likely because, as I said.. School & Education was not compulsory & few people could read & write to any high standard. Unless they were taught in the Church, or Went to University.
So Moore drafts the Petition for them. (He is not the Petitioner) The Petition is Stamped by "Her Majesty's Paper office".. We know There was a KING on the throne at that time. So it is reference to His Wife The Queen (Consort's) Paper office.
And they have separate committees for different petition subject causes.
So.. Today in Modern times.. All the petitions are sent to "The Petitions Committee" one committee. And As Everyone can read & write as it is compulsory Education... We do not need our Local MP Member of Parliament to draft our Petitions for us, as we can submit our own, in writing on paper or by Internet on the website & they are official (Parliament resisted) which is the stamp.. or publishing on the website, or any other letter of confirmation.
Its worth noting.. that before the 1688 Bill of Rights... These Women could easily have been "prosecuted" for "Spying" on Armies and troops.. by reporting on them.. That would have been a offence, charge..
NOT ACTUALLY PETITIONING. AS YOU WERE ALLOWED TO, AND IT EXISTED AND PEOPLE COULD DO IT.
The Offence, if the King had fancied prosecuting her COULD HAVE... been brought, for spying... Note that its not a charge for "Petitioning" and there is still petitioning going on.
Therefore... "The Right to Petition" and ALL COMMITMENTS & PROSECUTIONS ARE ILLEGAL.. MUST refer to anything in connection with the petitioning, cause, subject & acts of the petitioner...
So its clearly protection against "Offences, Charges" against the petitioner... Obviously Travelling to deliver a petition & gather evidence MUST be included in the Protection.
This Raises more serious questions concerning the Anne Sacoolas case.. who is Wife of the American Spy, Military In Northamptonshire. Because It brings things like Spying (Diplomatic immunity) under association with a Petition example here, that is in relation Armies, Civil Wars, And "Associated matters" Political Matters. In fact it is the Government Soldiers that have caused damage & plundered. & The Women are seeking resolution.
This is very similar to the Queens Police Force.. Police Chief Officers.. Who are accused of misuse of Road Traffic Enforcement, Speed Cameras & Use of Misleading & False Road Signs against the public.. in a War against Drivers who are just trying to get to work or get home from work..
And all the money that is being plundered from people in the process & their driving licences taken away from them.
Therefore my petitioning & all actions in connection with gathering evidence for that petitioning are correct & valid to the reason & purposes of Petitioning.
And As We DO have the Right to petition Protection in place...
It is illegal for me to BE prosecuted & any prosecutions or court orders are invalid & void.
Therefore & Require my Driving Licence to be returned & monies taken by the courts refunded & all orders made by the courts in relation to these facts & circumstances withdrawn, discontinued, made void.
Because I have had enough of the Crown Prosecution Service, Courts & Police.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 12:25:30 GMT
This Woman.. Mary Robinson.. Writes her own petition herself by the looks of it. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/women-english-civil-wars/women-english-civil-wars-source-1/She is Ill at home. Her son went off to fight for one side (Army) in the Civil Wars.. she was funding him some money from home... and she was prosecuted by the opposing forces and her possessions seized Wow. She is petitioning for remedy, return of her things by the looks of it Stamped by her Majesty's state paper office Obviously Queen Consort at the time, Henrietta Maria of France? This is before the Right to Petition 1688, again.. she is allowed already to petition, and eligibility to do it... petitioning is not illegal.. Its always the acts and subject, cause that is the matter at hand.. the undertaking.. and usually any offences or prosecutions in connection, facts circumstances.. Sounds like the Roundheads took away her home/estate... lands.. If she had an estate... its likely why she could write her own petition because she could read and write. Unfortunately she couldn't walk.. as she describes her being severely I'll (if it's an accurate report) She submits the petition herself.. Which as you can see is officially accepted Stamped. Looks like Cromwell was going around punishing people's families "Cavalier supporters" Royalists. But as you can see.. in the previous example.. it is the Member of Parliament writing the petition on behalf of the supposedly illiterate Liverpool women, and it is the Cavaliers, the Catholics - Kings Men/Soldiers who had done the plundering. Hmmmmmmm.. Was this Civil War.. a Rouse or ploy by the Government and Parliament.. to trick oblivious innocent public and literally go around robbing and looting everyone.. with simple excuses that they are literally just supporting the opposition?! No wonder the Irish were getting seriously angry with it all as well. Hmmm. With no communication, telephone, television, internet.. Would anyone really know what was going on and what the truth was? We have amazing communication now, but there is so much propaganda from the newspapers and the television that also we are no better off really.. as we still get mislead.. Which is why we need protection when challenging the Authorities over serious issues. I don't know how the police have the cheek to withhold and deny a "protection" when all it is, is protection... while conducting the petitioning.. It's not exactly a tank , artillery, arms, swords, guns, or a small army. Its literally.. going about collecting evidence and travelling around.. I don't know what Simon Byrne, Simon Cole, Dee Collins, are on. They are not on this planet.. That's for certain.. A uniform and a badge.. they think they are the only law in this country.. And the insane Judges such as Nicholas Watson... Who believes 10 minutes in Leicester after 100 Mile drive... and a charlatan court hearing.. is fair justice.. 10 minutes with a senile dementia case of a Judge... Pure perversion of the Justice System Crown Prosecution service staff.. Mr.Dowsett . Unprepared for hearings.. What are we paying our taxes for? I am having to do the work and real research the CPS are supposed to be paid for and to recognize our rights and uphold them. Not put us through distress and extended turmoil by literally trying to claim we have no rights.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 13:05:07 GMT
Here the education archives are asking us, if we think that Mary Robinson wrote and signed her own petition? or if someone else (am MP) ? wrote it for her? and she just made her "Mark" "M" on the paper? If the Liverpool petition was against Royalists and signed by a Roundhead? member of Parliament.. Then as opposition.. in contrast... Mary Robinson may not have had an MP locally on her side to write and sign her petition, if it was from her as a Royalist supporter who had sent money & her son to fight for the Kings army. Her local Church, Bishop might have written it for her, if she was not literate.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 13:37:34 GMT
The problem NOW in the modern country..
Is that everyone can read and write. And write their own letters...
But unfortunately not everyone can UNDERSTAND...
And this is why Staff... at the police, at the Probation service, in Government departments, the petitions committee even.. new staff.. And many lawyers.. even Queens Counsel have difficulty in understanding.. (unless paid to research)
Is.. all these things that are connected to help us Recognize and realise these things.. You need to know a bit about history and law.. but there is just a certain general applied understanding where you get the idea of something anyway from what it is there for, what it says...
And a good faith in its validity and you being right about it..
Not just because of your own opinion if you like or dislike it. If your boss or superiors say its valid or invalid.. Or what you have been taught... If you have not been taught about it.. Its not "standard practice" or standard procedure..
Its about.. being interested in it, and wanting to understand it and know about it.
Most people in jobs.. aren't that concerned or bothered about the situation..
Police aren't really bothered about the rights that protesters are claiming.. They will just prosecute them anyway..
The Crown Prosecution Service don't WANT their powers limited and protected against.. it's not in their interests or desires.. Even if its law. They don't care.
Same with the probation service and courts.. it's just a job it's not standard, they haven't learned it and are likely being told not to comply with claims.. same for the DVLA.. and petition committee..
Yet it is supposed to be the petition committee that validates and confirms petitioning.. (true they will issue confirmation documents) but even some of their policies currently are breaking the terms of the right... by applying commitments over petitions.. restrictions..
And they are not validating peoples protection when really it is Parliament who should confirm that validity of the law and its applicable effect to the Courts, DVLA, Probation service, Police and CPS.
They should be acting to respect and uphold the rights applicable to the service they provide and operate under.. But because the very point of petitioning is redress of grievances, opposition, complaints..
They don't really like it.
But they have to like it.. as it's the entire point the petition committee exists.
And the matter is being brought to the attention of Parliament anyway... So.. it's not like anyone is trying to hide anything.. They are just protected to enable them to bring a matter to parliament, instead of through the courts.
Its merely bypassing the courts. When a police officer, or Prosecutor or Court.. raises a charge... over a matter..
The petitioner.. merely is saying.. I'm sorry.. this matter is already engaged in, with the Authorities.. I am acting already in connection with Parliament in this cause... and show them your particulars, paperwork... And they can take note.. Even submitt material themselves to parliament over the matter.. (but not to the courts) aka Kings Bench (criminal courts, High Courts)
I don't know what the problem is.. Really there is no problem with that.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 14:45:37 GMT
The Right is of effect of itself... It is supposed to have legal effect OVER the Courts. It's not supposed to be debated, presented or contested in any of the Criminal or High Courts.
Its purpose is to keep petitioners OUT of court. Keep the Police away from them.
The method of claim of the right is by notice. To whomever it may concern.. in political proceedings.. and if necessary any other proceedings or stage of proceedings before during or after.. wherever it needs to be recognized and applied by anyone. Any person.
For example... Citizens arrest would be illegal.
Detainment..
Court proceedings
Sentences..
All commitments to these are illegal.
By virtue of legal effect of the law. The person is free from these commitments and the other parties should correct any mistakes..
Not by appeal or contest.. but by legal obligation
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 14:55:41 GMT
This example is not marked clearly as a Petition but it is submitted to a similar parliamentary committee Elizabeth Atkins www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/women-english-civil-wars/women-english-civil-wars-source-4a/She is sent with money provided by the admiralty.. to tend to wounded service men She is claiming that the money was not sufficient to carry out the work she was sent to undertake... and it cost much more. Hmmmmm... Why does this bring to mind.. the Government legal aid funding.. and Solicitors claiming that the legal aid is not enough to run their Legal practices on? Especially when most people can't pay for legal services on the average wage... They often demand thousands of pounds.. Where most people do not earn £1,000 in a month. This was a recent newspaper story Solicitor could not manage practice on legal aid Payments www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/solicitor-could-not-manage-practice-on-legal-aid-payments/5102657.articleWonder what he does in his spare time? When there are no clients? Clearly not learning more about the law and revision... more likely going on holiday.. They are actually saying this Elizabeth Atkin was known also by a Alias name of "Parliament Joan" and was a Spy for Parliament as well!? So, she was spying on the Soldiers she was actually sent to treat/heal, give medical attention to. Pah. Sheesh. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/women-english-civil-wars/women-english-civil-wars-source-4b/I am guessing she had Parliamentary Privileges and Protection for if she was caught and tried/Prosecuted by the opposing forces? But as we know, the Bill of Rights Had not been written at that time yet.... So she might have been "Given Up" if she were found out. She could have been executed by the opposing forces? I'm certain diplomatic immunity must have applied? Hmmmm. This raises all sorts of Questions concerning the Anne Sacoolas case.. with Northamptonshire police and the CPS.. because its mysterious events.. with the motorcycle accident.. political.. Someone could have caused, set up the accident to attack the Americans or threaten her husband.. or just for the effects the accident would have on opinion and politics.. Hmmm my entire petition campaign is gathering evidence on the police and informing parliament on the illegal speed cameras & road signage.. which is why I need the same protection... and its my right to choose to petition parliament and inform them. Also we DO now have the 1688 Bill of Rights. Tese examples are before it.. but very good material for examples to illustrate the importance
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 15:36:08 GMT
This woman, Constance Stringer was also like Elizabeth Atkin.. acting as a Spy.. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/women-english-civil-wars/women-english-civil-wars-source-5/She is Informing about Worcester City.. Hmmm, wasn't Worcester where the Last Battlr was eventually won by Cromwell's forces? So it was an important place. Quite a religious centre as well... near Kidderminster and Border towards Wales. These Women were risking a lot.. they could have been killed or executed. Also the public would have been under a great deal of stress and anxiety at these times, Fear and hardship.. danger as well. These were voluntary Spies who were appointed.. paid off as well for services. But as this was before the actual Bill of Rights... Any diplomatic immunity would have been granted only by the word and promise of her masters... not written in law yet. Note that petition is freely open and in use. It's not illegal. Anyone has the right to do it, of virtue simply of itself being accepted proceedings.. The later bill of rights was not created to allow petitioning or give anyone the right merely to do it. You need to understand that... It was protection for ALL facts and circumstances that came with the petitioning and the cause. Obviously. And the subjects.. the public had the Right to choose to petition... They could choose to inform parliament.. After 1688... with no fear of the courts.. criminal courts, or High Courts.. (Kings Bench) Clearly.. It's not the procedure of writing and submitting the petition where the protection comes in.. The protection clearly concerns the acts in connection with the petition.. The spying, or religious changes or ceremonies that might have been against the kings religious beliefs.. This is what the entire point of the protection is for.. Clearly travelling to gather information to inform parliament must be covered with protection or the undertaking could not be engaged in to completion. This without doubt would cover riding horses and use of a cart or coach. It translates into protection of a driving licence. Because if you are informing on illegal motorway signs.. how the hell are you going to get evidence if you are forced to use a bus? Or walk? You can't get anywhere.. it would take ridiculous time. And buses have silly routes. Literally.. I've had enough of the Crown Prosecution Service and Courts and modern Student Petition committee staff.. who don't know anything.. they can't use understanding and insight to make simple deductions using intelligence. Hmmmm, didn't they have a character called Constance in the BBC Three Musketeers programme that was on a few years ago? Not M'lady D'Winter.. She was a Spy though in the Musketeers story. Very Very similar. Seems like it was based on very true circumstances as it seems! Also reminds me of this weeks Dr.Who episode.. where The Doctor keeps calling Nichola Telsa "a big fat liar" - hope that's not why The Lord Hall is stepping down from the BBC?! www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dlc3www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7913609/Downing-Street-threat-BBC-Pick-right-boss-replace-Lord-Hall-fire-them.htmlSeems like we have, like David Cameron has made statement himself when he stepped down... "A Civil War" academic and legal civil war between the Ministry of Justice, Highways England, Police and the Public... withholding out rights from us.. and subjecting us to horrible distress, anxiety and legal injury because of their refusal to accept fault and grant our legal rights.. We are being made to suffer.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 15:50:15 GMT
This example... It's not a petition and doesn't bear the stamp of Her Majesty's state paper office, It reports Mary Crompton, giving support and resources to The Kings Royalist troops, Army... And apparently for that reason the Roundheads have taken her assets www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/women-english-civil-wars/women-english-civil-wars-source-6/The police need to accept and recognise that the 1688 Bill's protection, to the people, is from "offences" - other offences concerning & in connection with the petitioning work cause. Not just from petitioning itself.. as there is no such offence and never has been. nor any thing to prevent anyone petitioning, or remove its function being there.. Its without doubt offences - criminal offences and other commitments... legal challenges disputes by the courts.. civil, high courts. I am getting tired of this now, because there is no further excuse as to them claiming they cannot understand it.. They aren't that retarded. Its getting to the stage now, where its perversion of justice and misconduct in public office. We have passed simply illegal prosecution now. Its a breech of Human rights and in fact treason against the public to obstruct their rights.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 22, 2020 15:58:10 GMT
I don't think Parliament should be threatening the BBC with anything.. Given the evidence on illegal speed enforcement since John Major was PM, the BBC should have the lot of them lined up for execution... "death by truth or dare questions"..
Quite upsetting that John Major figures in on this... as I used to like him...
Blair is a Demon, though... Cameron, May, Johnson... They refuse to tell the truth about misleading the public.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 23, 2020 13:09:02 GMT
The only issue of understanding failure currently with the Government is their refu5to accept how the right covers actions.
But why else would one need protection from the courts if it were not to protect against offences? Or legal challenges?
You would not require the right if it were not to protect ones actions in conducting the petitioning.
Because there is otherwise no reason or requirement to create the right.
Pre 1688... petition records show it was free and open lawfully common process. People were doing it to many committees and there has never been a law against it.
People were not prosecuted for petitioning. They were prosecuted for their actions and beliefs and opinions that were "unlawful"
Practice of certain religious functions
Being informers against the Cavaliers Or vice versa...
Submitting reports and complaints against cavalier soldiers plundering villages, which surely requires evidence to prove..
Delivery of petitioning and free travel unhindered to obtain any number of required signatures (or just 1) and so forth.
It's clear to the educated, and right thinking intelligence that these are the requisitions that the right was created to protect against from the kings bench (criminal courts, Civil dispute courts and high courts)
Why else?
The right is applied by effect of its law. It does not require any court to apply its effect
Its is recognized through claim and declaration and by producing the petition document.. that is how it is recognized to effect and exists.
Similarly to the medical rights for being Ill or injured... by doctors note or claim of injury by showing it.
Its widely accepted in all Government departments and does not require court hearings or appeals for rights. Especially those that have purposes to prevent court actions.
Their special function and purpose
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Post by Administrator on Jan 23, 2020 20:58:50 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Jan 23, 2020 23:44:49 GMT
I'm actually starting to wonder if the entire "Civil War" was a complete Rouse so the Government could just get a load Armour, Weapons, Pistols made and build an army for acting in Europe with..
The New Model Army.
All this sending their Sons off to fight and providing funding for the sides.. then they went accusing of supporting the opposition and taking their things away from them, land..
This is the type of thing they would do.. Just look at the ridiculous 40mph motorway limits when the road is completely clear.. and enforcement weapons used against us..
Nobody would have known for certain what the hell was going on.. and an excuse to shoot a load of people they wanted rid of.
Then After everyone is shook up and terrified to death, Cromwell declares himself Lord Protector.. Not much protection going on until afterwards.. in fact.. until 30 years later with the Bill being drafted..
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Post by Administrator on Jan 25, 2020 15:24:25 GMT
Can you believe this ridiculous police unit. That should be investigating AGAINST MPs, not attacking the public with the law. This act is for general applications to the public in their own affairs between each other in standard day to day interactions not political ones to parliament. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1It can't apply to matters that in connection with parliament because of "exemption" Therefore a unit which calls itself actually "PLAIT" using the word Parliamentary* liaison and investigations team... Cannot possibly use that act of law when subjects of the United Kingdom are sending communications to parliament Either independently or through an MP. IF* it is in relation to a cause concerning parliament matters. It's also questionable if an MPs (work) and political opinion is in relation to parliament or not. If the communication is in respect to political opinion or decisions then it cannot fall under the act. Only if it is completely personal and not associated with a Parliamentary cause. Therefore I question the 102 complaints per year that the unit deals with. And a unit using such a name... Parliamentary liaison might start to think about actually investigating MPs for once.. Particularly when they have been lying to the public and defrauding the public of their rights... I don't think it's a good idea to literally be nasty to MPs aimlessly. But emotional and natural expressions of feelings and opinions are part of our freedom of speech and ministers making contradictions in legislation ought to start looking at their own mistakes especially concerning things such as Alistair Darling's changing of the law to contradict itself, and either to spite the public or through their own failures of intelligence.. I don't think being a so called "veteran" of labour means anything.. You can have a veteran or the Army.. but they have still killed humans in another country.. against the laws of that country and as alien invaders... they are murderers Politicians can slaughter people spiritually by stealing their rights away from them. Lying to them.. plundering their houses and possessions and creating law that is literally fraudulent as it is nonsensical. As far as I am concerned most MPs are selfish and out for themselves Especially Boris Johnson and are no more than pointless celebrities. www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/thugs-target-barry-sheerman-death-17624945It's not right abusing MPs aimlessly.. But the police need to start to consider the contradictions MPs are creating in law.. such as freedom of speech.. Because it will end up dysfunctional
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Post by Administrator on Jan 26, 2020 7:26:25 GMT
Message to David Cameron MP. And I refuse to use any titles of what could be suggested as "Right" or "Honorable" as this man clearly steals, and takes away from people their rights and political powers, in order to further his own ends..
Like most modern MPs self serving and career obsessed with no true concern or care for the public. Only commercial progress and affluent business competition.
He needs a Macdonald's building next door to his Oxfordshire village house.. to fully comprehend the damage developments and competitive politics have caused to the United Kingdom
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I believe David Cameroon has in fact, equivalent of a big F for fail in both History, Politics and academic subjects and this reflects his serious lack of understanding of the people's rights and purpose of them . The EX conservative MP procl there would be "Civil War" prior to his departure from office.. yet the Right to Petition prevents it by stopping Government soldiers and Police, Evil Magistrates & Judges from using the law and physical force to go into homes of opposition, take their possessions, funding money, lands and hold them prisoners for opposition of government in a political cause.
Therefore I require the courts to restore all monies taken and release me from all illegal orders and convictions which are restricting my free movement and time and travel and injuring me by suffering abuse, distress and harassment by Interserve and courts
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Post by Administrator on Jan 26, 2020 20:50:34 GMT
Another seriously important insight has come to mind....
After I have found these new evidence archives..
Particularly the Liverpool widows..
It's clear from other petitions during the Civil war, that only one subject needs to petition a cause. But there can be multiple signatures.. in fact one person can sign on behalf of all of the other claimants.
One important reason is "evidence" ... "Witnesses".
If Royalist soldiers plundered a village and stole from the public...
Who would believe them? What even evidence could they show, tell the MP?
But with the statements and petition of multiple Liverpool widows.. there are multiple witnesses and testimonials in the petition.. Obviously statements were the main tender of proceedings back then (political or legal proceedings) there were no cameras or video equipment. And if the Liverpool women were illiterate the MP or at least a literate Church Vicar, Bishop or Priest could write for them. Or an academic scholar, if they paid. But the MP is there to represent them. It's his purpose.
Not solo self motivated.. as David Cameron and Boris Johnson.. the Oxford flying squad... fame and glory..
So... the reason of having multiple signatures literally is for proof and authentication!! I bet you didn't think of that! In historical context!
Where as, with the other petition samples, we have other petitions by a single subject, author... either with or without assistance from their Local MP.. To whichever committee it may concern.
And the Right to petition.. which was brought in well after these Civil Wars.. grants that there can be no commitments held by parliament..
Therefore.. I strongly believe that their 100,000 signatures target is a joke. Because it's not realistic to achieve in 6 months using the electronic means they suggest.. therefore further example of evil and corruption from ministers...
Why have sold their souls to party politics.. their own will and group consciousness and selfish targets of commercialism.. Rather than truly representatives of their local people and areas, as it is supposed to be.
And now we have technology, video, cameras and internet.. it is much easier to prove truth and fact and obtain and attach evidence to petitions.
In fact... with my petitioning being on behalf of all those prosecuted by speed cameras... there is no question that "complaints from the public" about the speed cameras being misused.. IS the evidence and part of it.
And there is no doubt that because it is the very same subject and cause.. their complaints can be included and requested as evidence. In fact. As they share opinions.. it's clear that I petition on their behalf...
Therefore without contest... every single complaint about speed cameras and road traffic enforcement.. and Road signage.. And driving licences being revoked.. disqualification... All those complaints can be required and counted.. from the DVLA database, Police records, Local Council authorities and Parliament.. And as there is freedom of information... Those complaints are in fact.. A redress of grievances concerning road traffic enforcement.. and parking tickets as well.. And therefore as a "Cause" ...
Every single member of the public.. should have their written complaints added to the support count for this petition campaign..
Therefore without doubt there is already support of over 100,000 members of the public.
And I do not believe parliament are able to refuse to debate or act.. because the right itself... is a direct right to a remedy..
As Associate Professor Benjamin Plener Cover has set out..
The point is to have the matter debated/decided in parliament.
Not to "not have it debated" in parliament. Which is counter productive to the entire point of the right.
Therefore, Boris Johnson, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and the rest of their cronies... whichever party they claim to be representing.. other than themselves.. Have no right to obstruct petitions being debated. Or apply any restrictions what so ever to the name, or title or subject of a petition..
And some of my petitions have been submitted and not issued with following notification after I obtained the 5 sponsorship signatures they are claiming to require.. (After they went and changed the policy) when there can be no policy in fact..
I don't know how these MPs have the dignity to assume titles such as "Right Honorable" What life? What evidence do we have of them being right or honourable other than their own dandy party and being voted in by people who hardly know them.. had few other choices and the party supported them anyway..
We might has well have "Bill Armour" as Prime Minister for the conservatives.. from Huddersfield.. when on speaking with him.. I can confirm the man knows less than nothing about the law and intelligence of politics...
Which is why I have serious reservations about Jeremy Corbyn and Barry Sheerman. So what if they have been Members of Parliament for years and years??
A Baker can have been baking cakes for 50 years but he can still be rubbish at baking. And filling everyone with unhealthy food, rendering the town overweight.
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