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Post by Administrator on Nov 27, 2019 20:42:56 GMT
This you will think is good news .. www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/27/charges-dropped-against-more-than-100-extinction-rebellion-protestersFor protesters. The Law is clear on Criminal Damage where no offence is made when there is a particular right in effect that can be exercised relied upon for ones actions. There can be no test case concerning rights that override prosecution proceedings. It is only ever the persons intent and actions that require validation.. My actions have already been confirmed legitimate and for the reason and purpose I claimed. There can be no test of the law and right itself. As its entire point is to override proceedings.. It was made and has a intellectual meaning that is understood with rational human thinking The idea is needs to be re proved or something is ridiculous and in fact a perversion of justice. Also the Government cannot have policy on many things.. their commitments are illegal and that is the mark of a corrupted government. The CPS are defeatist and conduct themselves not as the law but as sports athletes representing a corrupt government Their tests are a perversion of justice and the only victory worth celebrating is when the Crown prosecution appear on trial for perverting justice and misconduct in public office. They blatantly disregard clear and obvious law and meanings. I can't stand this organisation. Its vile and evil . Its existence is against good and altruism. Anyone who desires to join such an organisation is not Christian and is evil. Because the Christian religion cannot accommodate for the principles and evil that such an organisation inflicts upon christianity Its medieval and de volution The sentences are often ridiculous and a waste of time.. And it's the process that causes and spreads more evil to the country in most cases than the original offences themselves. Being designed and planned for extorting profits and money from unfortunate people usually in the wrong place at the wrong time or unlucky victims of Her Majestys Alcohol empire and failed class system. The entire idea is insane and stupid. It is a buisness of complete evil. If the police were employed to simply return stolen items and turn up quickly to separate dangerous incidents.. And simply make the community aware of suspicious or dangerous individuals.. It would be cheaper and simpler... Than a ridiculous and expensive game creating Shanghai for misfortune and bad luck of people. They have less that 0 clue how to properly solve problems or correct behaviour. And it's clear that money talks and money listens.. Not any true desire for peace and remedy that prevails
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Post by Administrator on Nov 27, 2019 20:49:10 GMT
They are obsessed with winning a clever contest that was stupid to enter in the first place.
Because only an idiot would have anything to do with it.
It's a bit like all the money spent on the Hadron collider... eventually it's a whole load cash on nothing but big bangs.
All that ministry of justice entire funds of the whole system could go into nice community guides and wardens from school age and through..
Guiding good helpfulness.. And knowing problem people...
All the huge insane money on courts and lawyers.. the whole country..
Fucking retards.
Paper, stamps and printer ink money could have paid for a few early learning guides in schools across the whole uk.
It makes my physically sick and ill even thinking of letters from these organisations
They have been trained to cause harm, pain and suffering 100 times more dreadful than any hooligan or thug can even think up or do by accident..
They literally are specialised in torture of normal innocent civilians.
Twisted and extended torture. They steal souls and damage spirits and in fact create evil within people so that their victims who were good and happy and kind.. become corrupted and loose goodness within them.
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Post by Administrator on Nov 27, 2019 20:55:27 GMT
It actually is one of the leftovers of witchcraft... from the medieval period..
An arcane and ancient branch of dark magic
It was used in recorded history to actually track down and hunt witches. This was real. It's all recorded. In order to deal with witchcraft... The dark arts had to be employed and used.
Unfortunately... it's still been continued into the modern times and the police have adopted many evils in order to turn their ancient witch hunting.. instead to drivers..
People.. innocently going to work or returning home.... The magik has been abused and also spells cast on people to make them FAT. And unhealthy.
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Post by Administrator on Nov 27, 2019 21:17:23 GMT
Instead of PC Allen being sent to the Middle School to give a Macarbe short story in assembly of kids getting their eyeballs poked out on car radio Aerials..
If they had given EVERYONE basic police skills, arrest, handling idiots, detective work... finding something hidden and doing finger prints...
People would be equipped to deal with crime... free of charge..
And we wouldn't need speccy 4 eyes blind police medal hunters glory speeches in front of police assembly...
Looking to be heroes..
Rather.. we would have had the whole mess cleaned up years ago...
But instead they brought a load more victims in from abroad for him to chase around and take momento photos of with his speed cameras..
He likes snapping photos of speeding Pakistani taxi drivers... Pinned up in his dark (developing) red room fetish instead
No wonder everyone is furious
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Post by Administrator on Nov 27, 2019 23:48:35 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Nov 28, 2019 0:37:40 GMT
I don't believe they (Extinction rebel) can claim protection using "an intent to disrupt"
It's not promoting a cause or obtaining support...
The action of causing disruption is what it is stated.. so I agree with Nigel on this
If you go out to gather evidence of something and as a result of that you cause temporary disruption in a street.. It was a consequence of another valid action.
Disruption for the sake of disruption is not a legitimate purpose I don't think. It's actually as stated... "disruption "
I don't see how you can justify "disruption" stated.
As a general publicity stunt.. If you state.. "we are publicising a cause" Of environmental threat... There are existing ways to promote things. Signs, internet, magazines, film, art. They have a subjective purpose of communication of information or ideas.
When you say " we are going to cause disruption " disruption is not communicative of anything. How can the statement and action... cause disruption be interpreted as spread awareness of environmental issues?
It's actually causing disruption and spreading disruption, not spreading awareness of a cause.
The actual disruptive effects of the disruptive actions and intent...
What is the communicative information they are promoting? What is the subjective meaning? In relation to the cause of the group? If there is a art meaning being exhibited, what is it?
The art of Rebellion? Seems like they are in fact demonstrating and communicating in fact creating rebellious behaviour, not communicating the campaign subject..
But the essence of Rebellion itself.
They could communicate the environmental Subject by simply using signs, banners, even megaphone and flyers .. information booklets.
Publicity itself they have already got. It's not like they are having difficulty getting promotion of their subject.
If they claimed to perform an experiment to show HOW MUCH disruption they could cause... and how it affected traffic, in order to make or change a law... as evidence to the Government..
I would give them that...
But to me, it seems like they have plenty publicity and methods of attention and promotion of their cause already in operation..
If they can give a reason and purpose of the disruption to obtain useful information or assessment or data that is of use to the environmental campaign... Statistics of time of delays.. and extent of disruption for a bill concerning that subject.. I would be more supportive of this..
But it's clear they are self stated to be causing disruption for the sake of it. For that end. To disrupt.
Therefore the intent is not promotion . Or if it is disruption to promote disruption.. I believe it's kind of only demonstrating Rebellion and actually..
They could cause Extinction itself through being rebellious...
I think the standard signs and banners are acceptable even hung on street furniture if secured properly or at least with good intent..
To me... disruption interprets as promoting disruption itself....
Where is the environmental message?
If they are just " being rowdy " for purpose.... " to get attention to promote Extinction Rebellion "
They are already getting plenty attention from their other methods and that is communication of information..
If they put the website banners up everywhere.. that is to intent to promote information of a political cause. And obtain support and give contact information.
But she stated the intent was to cause disruption...
I think that if you intended to promote a cause by a legitimate standard method and as a consequence it caused disruption.. that is acceptable..
But to cause disruption that is itself an objective disruption and only as a consequence of that... it promotes the Extinction Rebellion campaign... I think there is something in that...
If I asked you to name 5 ways of promoting a festival....
Someone might say...
Huge banners. Handing out flyers, catalogues Asking people passing in cars to sign a Petition Even painting the website address on a bridge Placing a newspaper advert.
If it was a sexual health Petition.. even dressed as a penis.. with the campaign name on it... Handing out plastic penis models with the cause printed on them..
Why don't the Extinction Rebellion drive around London on the back of a lorry with supporters giving out free material..
Similarly to the Bjork big time sensuality video?? Its been done before. It's not intending to disrupt..
Funerals have processions similar.
I don't think you can state the intention is to disrupt... and of a consequence there is some promotion.
I think you can have the craziest of ideas to promote with intent to promote and as a consequence there is some disruption..
But not blatant intent to disrupt because you are intending to do something for purpose that is in fact counter intuitive to the cause.... it's not gathering peacefully. Or intending to.
If you say... I need to go into the road to get a photograph... and as a consequence there is disruption... the disruption is not the reason or goal. The photo is. Its required.
Why do Extinction Rebellion need disruption???
Because if they didn't disrupt, it wouldn't be much of a Rebellion would it??
Seems like their mission is not to save the environment but disrupt it.
I think consequencial disruption from a objective which is explained for a required purpose.. is rational.
You need evidence to show someone something or prove something is wrong.. a sign. Or survey something for records.
I think a disruption for the purpose of causing disruption is nothing but evidence of Rebellion.
This is my understanding and theory on this.
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Post by Administrator on Nov 28, 2019 1:31:29 GMT
I think there are important equations to be considered..
Intent > consequence
A.Intent to disrupt with promotion as a intended consequence
B.Intent to promote, with disruption being a unintended or unavoidable consequence
My essay on "the requisitions of petitioning" is relevant here.
Because I set out the basic logic and standard requisitions of petitioning (campaigning)
And things the council or government use or can do.. are acceptable as standard. Possibly at a push, without prior notice or authorization permission..
But "disruption" is not something that I believe itself has meaning to it or subjective interpretation other than Disruption itself as applicable effect
What is the requisitions of disruption?
Disruption to traffic in order to result in action from the government concerning the demand?
Is that a threat? We will disrupt traffic unless you do as we say or as we demand?
I think the Criminal damage act actually does not cover threats....
So... I think "intent to disrupt" in order to obtain a government action...
Falls under a threat..
Therefore is not actually covered by the Criminal damage act...
But... if as a consequence of promoting a campaign by placing huge banners with intent to promote a campaign..
There was disruption as a consequence.. It's not intended or a threat of disruption
Hmmmmm
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Post by Administrator on Nov 28, 2019 2:01:21 GMT
We can't ignore the M1 and M6 and M62 disruption the Government have caused though..
Which was intended.. and where they had no authority or power to vary the speed limit in the first place..
Particularly the M60 Manchester..
That's disruption also.
I think the legal argument is similar.
But unfortunately with the Criminal damage act and a pre threat of disruption from Extinction Rebellion.. I don't think its covered by lawful excuse.
It may be covered independently by the Right to Petition.. But how do you set out the requisition of random disruptions in the petitioning or bill submitting process?
Research, investigating, drafting, promotion, ballot, delivery, submission.
If promotion... is it promoting information for signatures support of the bill? Their bill proposal?
Seems like its directly a threat and promotion that is conducted for direct remedy from the government.
Doesn't the petitioning require signatures that involve a Petition bag? As destination of the particulars?
A bill itself... proposal.. is a bill. You draft a bill... and lay it.
Group, organisation, individual or MP or Lord can submit a bill.
You don't require Petition signatures on it.
So... with no signatures... How does one intend to Petition for a bill?
It brings to me the image of the conservative advert.. of Ed Miliband in the jacket pocket..
Can you fit a protester in the Petition bag of the speakers chair?
It's not a bill bag. It's a Petition bag. You can Petition for a Bill or anything else..
But the investigation and work, or bill... to be petitioned must be in the bag, or intended to try get in the bag..
Jumping up and down on cars is not petitioning or signing supporting the bill, is it? Where is the Petition you sign to support that bill they propose?
The human rights act 1998 section 6, 6 is a process in connection with parliament.. But if its not a Petition its not the right to Petition is it?
If you are campaigning for a bill, submitting a bill... how are you petitioning for it, if it's not through the Petition committee??
Submitting a bill and work not through the Petition committee is not petitioning is it?
They have a bill proposal... They are asking parliament to act.. But only through threats and these activities.. which I don't see paper or e petitioning for...
One person can sign a Petition.. But one person can submit a Bill.
You can Petition for a bill. But a bill that's submitted but not Petitioned for can't be petitioning?
Hmmm
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Post by Administrator on Nov 28, 2019 11:04:16 GMT
Points and contemplation of the Criminal Damage Act and petitioning and protests
Please persevere with this, as its important model and insights to the understanding principles in effect.
The major realisations are the overriding objectives. Political and medical rights. Overriding court proceedings.. Doctors diagnose and treat illness and injuries which are rights overriding court proceedings.
Politicians debate Petitions and the undertaking cause brought to parliament. They diagnose and treat the matter.. the full particulars of the cause and its facts and circumstances.
The courts don't Because the Petition and its associated acts can only be decided in parliament.
Also some insights relating to the Extinction Rebellion protesters
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Post by Administrator on Dec 1, 2019 1:30:29 GMT
Actually...
If Dr.Gail Bradbrook molecular Scientist is capable of wanting to "cause disruption" for her political cause...
It's not far to imagine MPs planning and causing disruption themselves..
Which is why the annoying 60mph and 40mph motorway limits are clearly a retaliatory tactic to disrupt people and get revenge
Therefore I believe Theresa May and her Department of Transportation and Highway England staff were misusing the signage system to disrupt traffic
I believe Alistair Darling as well, changed seat belt laws in response and retaliation to large number of drivers claiming fines and convictions refunded.
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Post by Administrator on Dec 13, 2019 21:41:28 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Dec 15, 2019 2:01:11 GMT
Crazy bastards in London..
Gota admit though.... I didn't vote for the cunt either.. lol..
I think its rigged myself.. from seeing what other stuff they do with the computers and so forth.. even though they are hand counted.. plus television propaganda and so forth..
The anti racist chanting interesting..
Conservatives are going to limit who comes into the country.. which is fair enough..
But I was on the bus yesterday going to town to get CDs to burn some free CDs to give out for petitioning presents with my music as well..
And needed to get there before this shop closed at 8pm..
Anyway.. a speed camera fired at the bus I was on! I was really upset about it as felt sorry for the driver who was an Asian guy...
He doesn't have point already..
But I've complained to the police and am claiming protection for the driver under the right to Petition as he was escorting me to get materials for my campaign...
I've submitted the complaint.. With the Benjamin Plener cover paper..
I've also complained to the armed forces as under the right to bear arms as uk tax payers I believe that the Armed Forces are our Arms in political undertakings even within borders.. Particularly if its protection against the police who the Petition is against that party/group.. to parliament.. We must have protection against the police if they are in breach of our immediate rights that are there so we can perform certain work.. such as gathering evidence or travelling to get something or go somewhere.. or else we are being obstructed
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Post by Administrator on Dec 15, 2019 2:13:52 GMT
Actually did you hear that police officer threaten the protesters?!
Fuck me, lol..
He said.. "Get back or you will get hit" (by me and my colleagues)
Holy shit... that is not covered under lawful excuse" of the Criminal damage act..
I wonder if it falls under the intent to cause distress or some other offences?
If he has not hit anyone or there is no risk of it... then that's different..
But the threat is not covered by the excuse... there clearly is a risk in that situation..
I am not certain what the threats fall under and if they are allowed to threaten to hit people..
I wonder if the Dick woman.. the Chief Constable knows?
I might look into that... It's on video though
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Post by Administrator on Dec 15, 2019 2:48:46 GMT
This is the thing I don't get.. ok..
So... you have unaffiliated Lords Who aren't party aligned
You can have independent MPs who run for government.
What happens if all the Ministers who get elected are all independent ones..?
That's what I want to know..
Do they still vote for who will be Prime Minister and does the Queen ask that minister to form a new government?
I don't understand the framework behind the majority rubbish and all that technical crap..
I should ask someone or read up on it.
I believe the Tory party is a Charlatan trick of Oxford and Royalists to still completely do as they please.. but make it look like you are voting/having a say
When really they are just touting for votes to do what "they want "
Tories.
Who the fuck are these people?
Borris?
David Cameron?
What the fuck.
Oxford uni twatholes. Incorporating the uk and literally using butcher baker tactics to get votes...
Playing on cakes, buns, mr Kipling and obese punters who won't give up the candy...
Foodies are now Tories..
Every council estate bus user with a shopping bag full of Β£1 cakes and fancies from the Buckingham bakery is now a Tory..
Every butcher and pork chopper.. Food advertising company and supermarket owner and their greedy fat customers are all Rebellion against the diet plan.. that we need..
Its literally a Tory Rebellion against sense...
They are fighting for their food and their profits.. Economic growth is rubbish.
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Post by Administrator on Dec 15, 2019 12:57:33 GMT
Extinction Rebellion & 38 Degrees should be getting people to read more about the History of the Tories & Alternative ways of having parliament run other that these Tory groups who only have interest in "Proffit" and "power" .. surveillance & cameras & fines & gaining at the loss of others. And placing themselves with supposedly more claimed "rights" than other people. books.google.co.uk/books?id=vm5GDgAAQBAJ&pg=PT215&lpg=PT215&dq=party+of+%22Throne,+Altar+and+Cottage%22&source=bl&ots=MEJViXunuV&sig=ACfU3U0LErT5NiHFha3vTTVH4tLOEujfDQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR79CR2LfmAhUNfMAKHTTYCk0Q6AEwCXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=party%20of%20%22Throne%2C%20Altar%20and%20Cottage%22&f=false
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